The "Tic tac" encounter - a forgotten participant

Douglas Kurth 

An often-overlooked participant in the 14 November 2004 "Tic tac" incident, is former U.S. Navy pilot Lt. Col. Douglas Kurth. Then Lt. Col. Douglas Kurth was the Commanding Officer of Marine Hornet Squadron VMFA-232 on that date. On the day in question, he was in the area flying a single seater aircraft.

In 2021, in the most Indepth interview with Kurth of which I am aware, U.S. researcher Christian Lambright, asked Kurth about that day. In part, Kurth responded:

"That's when they vectored Fravor's flight toward the Unidentified Contact. After a few minutes when my checks were completed, I accepted their vector toward the Unidentified Contact.

I had Fravor's flight on radar and was directly over the top of them when they were observing the supersonic tic tac. I was not on the same frequency as Fravor's flight.

I saws the visual disturbance in the water (which had been previously and accurately reported) and that is what I used as my reference point to orbit around. The disturbance on the water cleared suddenly. It all seemed odd to me at the time. I never saw the object physically myself."

I reported on the above in a blog article dated 29 May 2021. 

Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies

Later, Kurth was recruited by Colm Kelleher for Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) which was successful in bidding for the Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP.) In that capacity, Kurth led a BAASS team down to South America looking for pieces of UAP and hoping to learn about their propulsion systems. For more information about this South American trip please click here and here and here and here. 

Further to all of the above, Jacques Vallee's "Forbidden Science: Volume 5" references Kurth a number of times. So, in order to add some additional data, I will extract the relevant portions from Vallee.

12 December 2008

Vallee was talking with Colm Kelleher.

"He has now hired three leaders, including Doug Kurth, a sharp ex F-18 pilot from the Nimitz who will start on Monday and get to work on my Capella project..."

23 January 2009 

"Later Doug Kurth gave me a detailed description of an encounter off the coast of Mexico on 8 December 2004. As Commanding Officer of an F-18 squadron, the VMFA-232, Red Devils, he had taken off from the deck of the Nimitz, on a maintenance test flight. They were vectored to check on a disturbance in the water that corresponded to an unusual blip picked up on radar by several ships. 

He did see the disturbance and heard the conversations between other pilots who saw the object, a white rounded cylinder shaped like a "tic tac" candy, which outmaneuvered them and flew up at enormous speed. It was picked up on infrared and tracked. The event was reported in Naval routine. Nobody was told to keep it secret, and it was the subject of much joking aboard the carrier."

5 April 2009

"Now Doug Kurth has sent me the user's guide he has compiled for Capella, a fine piece of work covering the six databases now assembled..."

Comments:

1. We now have an accurate date for when Kurth commenced work with BAASS, namely Monday 15 December 2008. There has been some confusion previously about when he started, as Kurth's own LinkedIn page states that he commenced with BAASS in December 2007, not 2008. The Vallee date is supported by the fact that BAASS wasn't registered as a company until January 2008, and the DIA's AAWSAP contract did not commence until Sep/Oct 2008.

2. Regarding Vallee's diary entry dated 24 January 2009 with a summary of the "Tic tac" event. The date given for the event, of 8 December 2004, is clearly wrong and there is a mixing of information about Kurth's and Fravor's flights, some correct; some incorrect. 

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3. Interesting that Kurth was working on Vallee's Capella database system, and was the one, not Vallee, who compiled a user's guide for it. In the book by Lacatski et al, titled "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon" there is a list of documents which BAASS sent to the DIA. One of these documents is listed as "Capella Date Warehouse Database/spreadsheet User's Guide (12 pages.)"

Slowly, albeit years later, we are getting to understand the role which Kurth played at BAASS.