Monday, June 17, 2019

Revelations of the third kind - The Bigelow/Mitchell 1996 letter emerges


Recently, on 15 June 2019, on his Facebook page, Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, published a statement:

"For some time now Richard Dolan has encouraged me to become involved in the story of the two leaked UFO documents. I have resisted but Monday morning I will enter the game and make a posting. 

I will post a third document that will begin to explore where these documents came from and what is going on."

The document has now been released by Cameron.


In this post, I want to take a look at this third document. It is a three page letter, dated 13 May 1996, from Robert Bigelow, and addressed to Edgar Mitchell. However, it is clear from the last paragraph of page two, that the letter was sent to all members of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) Science Advisory Board (SAB.)

Bigelow letter page one

The letter opens with:

"Since a lot has happened in the past few weeks, I thought I would take this opportunity to give you a brief update and provide information about the next meeting. You will remember that it is scheduled for the evening of May 31st and the entire day of Saturday, June 1st."

My comment:

In Vallee's book "Forbidden Science: Volume Four," (FSV4) in a diary entry dated 1 June 1996, Vallee writes that he attended the fourth meeting of the NIDS SAB, in Las Vegas.

Bigelow next advises that "One of your members, Jim Whinnery has agreed to address his research on loss of consciousness which encompasses more than twenty years of intense investigation."

My comment:

FSV4, on page 314 notes:

"This fourth meeting...was excellent, thanks to three separate presentations led by General Jim Whinnery. He showed videos of pilots losing consciousness in centrifuges and in actual cockpits..."

The letter then follows with:

"He will be followed by Melvin Morse, a medical doctor who has written several books about near-death experiences..."

My comment:

"The other presenters (one by Edgar Mitchell) also touch on the near-death experience..." writes Vallee on page 314.

Bigelow letter page two 

On page two of the Bigelow letter, Bigelow writes:

"Since the last SAB meeting we have engaged in metallurgical analyzes of selected samples... The process has enabled NIDS to establish a working relationship with Los Alamos National Laboratory..."

My comment:

From FSV4, "The implants from the last session have now been analyzed at Los Alamos."

The Bigelow letter then refers to Phil Corso, and the fact that John Alexander, then a NIDS employee, had spent some time in Washington conducting a background check on Corso.

My comment:

FSV4 on page 307 in a diary entry dated 3 May 1996, states that John Alexander had been in Washington conducting a check on the background of Corso.

Paragraph three, of page two of the letter refers to:

 "The German contact we mentioned at the last meeting. Illobrand von Ludwiger...I have suggested a project to him...We can anticipate that we will be informed about current sightings in central Europe. I also gave his organization a $5,000 contribution."

My comment:

On page 300 of FSV4, diary entry dated 31 March 1996:

"The Institute has also connected with Illobrand von Ludwiger, who investigates abductions in Germany and Austria."

The last paragraph on page 2 includes:

"Enclosed is a copy of an article provided to us by your colleague, SAB member Edgar Mitchell. In addition we note that his new book, The Way of the Explorer is now out in book stores. We are sending you a copy."

My comment:

This paragraph, indicates to me that although the letter was addressed to Edgar Mitchell, it did in fact go out to all SAB members.

Bigelow letter page three

Finally, Bigelow provides a list of scheduled meetings for the NIDS SAB for the rest of 1996. These were on Aug 2-3 (5th); Oct 4-5 (6th) and Dec 6-7 (7th.)

My comment:

A check with FSV4 reveals that it places Vallee in Las Vegas on Aug 3 for the fifth NIDS SAB meeting. However, a check of FSV4 reveals that the sixth meeting did not occur until 10 January 1997, and the seventh meeting not till 9 March 1997.

In summary

The reason that I am comparing the contents of the May 1996 Bigelow letter to Vallee's diaries, only published in January 2019, is to show that the two match in close detail. Thus one can reasonably conclude that the NIDS letter of 13 May 1996 is the genuine thing.

In my opinion, the reason that Grant Cameron has provided us with this letter from Bigelow to Mitchell, is to again focus the debate on the fact that the three released documents; i.e. the Davis/Bigelow memo of 23 March 2001; the Davis/Wilson notes of 16 October 2002, and this latest third document from 13 May 1996, all come from the files of the late Edgar Mitchell.

Saturday, June 15, 2019

On the provenance of the purported Davis/Wilson document

A document comes to light

A document has surfaced, dated 16 October 2002, which purports to be a copy of a set of notes, (not a transcript as so many commentators are saying,) of a meeting, on that date, between Dr Eric Davis and US Vice Admiral Thomas Wilson.


The purpose of this post is to try and set out some known facts about the provenance of this document, and then make some informed deductions. I must firstly state, that I have not obtained any of these deductions from the anonymous source who advised me that he was the individual who supplied a copy of the set of notes, to which Grant Cameron has been referring. These deductions are purely mine, and based on public knowledge.

Known facts

After my first blog on the topic of this meeting, I received a blog comment from US researcher Richard Dolan which, in part, advised that:

"One important thing to add to your analysis is that I was shown two pages of that 15-page document back in 2006...I will never forget reading the statement 'not made by man - not by human hands'..."

The Davis notes, on page 13, contain the statement, attributed to a program manager, " was technology that 'was not of this Earth- not made by man - not by human hands."

So, here is someone who states they saw part of the notes back in 2006, four years after the purported meeting is dated. Dolan has declined to name the individual who showed him these two pages.

Next, Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, who came into possession of a copy of the notes in late 2018, says that he received a copy of the notes from an individual. I have been able to communicate with this individual and obtained a statement from them, which I recently posted in the first blog on this topic. This person advised me that they also, would not name their source of the notes.

In addition, in an interview on the Black Vault Radio show, dated 28 December 2018, Cameron said: "It's a transcript of an interview and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."


I am interested in determining the provenance of the notes back beyond my source. The following is my lines of reasoning for putting forward a potential individual's name, as the source of my source's copy.

1. Firstly, going back to the original 1997 Wilson meeting with UFO researchers. Excellent research by journalist Giuliano Marinkovic, has identified that the attendees at this meeting, were:

UFO researchers: Steven Greer; Shari Adamiak; Commander Willard Miller; Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin; Dr Edgar Mitchell.

Government: Admiral Thomas R Wilson; Lieutenant General Patrick M Hughes; Admiral Mike Crawford.

[Source: A privately circulated document, titled "Forsaken Poseidon: Anatomy of the USG UFO SAP Infrastructure," compiled by Giuliano Marinkovic, 2019.]

2. I asked my source, if he had ever met Dr Edgar Mitchell? He replied that he had met him briefly, on several occasions. However, "that the Edgar Mitchell meetings may have nothing to do with the source of the documents." I thought that this wording was odd, "may have nothing," not "didn't have anything."

3. I noted Grant Cameron's audio statement: "It's a transcript of an interview, and the person who had it died, had the transcript, and it comes out of their files."

4. I understand that my source has in fact revealed to Grant Cameron, but not to me, the source of their copy of the notes. On 13 June 2019, on his Face Book page, Grant Cameron posted an unusual link to an old document. It was based on a radio interview which was broadcast on the Australian Broadcasting Commission's network, back in 2008. It featured some claims by Dr Edgar Mitchell in relation to information he had obtained from unnamed sources; and some comments by myself.

To my knowledge, no-one has circulated a link to this 2008 ABC interview, since I did the interview in 2008. It is so obscure an item that most people have never heard of it. The text, by Cameron, which accompanied the link, simply said "The following article is about to come into play." To me, it seems to point to what is clearly an important piece of information, to Cameron. The individuals named in the article are Dr Mitchell and myself. I suggest that Cameron is pointing to Dr Mitchell. Why?

5. Dr Edgar Mitchell was on the Science Advisory Board of the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) when Dr Eric Davis was a NIDS employee, and thus were well known to each other.

6. Dr Edgar Mitchell, who passed away in 2016, is central in all of the above information.

My current hypothesis then, is that the source of my source's copy of the notes, was  from the files of Edgar Mitchell.

Confirmation sought

Before publishing this post, I forwarded a copy of a draft of it, to both my source, and to Grant Cameron, and sought their comments on it.

My source responded almost immediately, with a "no comment."

Following my email to him, Grant Cameron then posted the following on his Face Book page.

"For some time now Richard Dolan has encouraged me to become involved in the story of the two recently leaked UFO documents. I have resisted but Monday morning I will enter the game and make a posting.

I will post a third document that will begin to explain where these documents came from and what is going on."

Wednesday, June 12, 2019

Notes on a 2002 meeting between Dr Eric Davis and Admiral Thomas Wilson: the source of the Grant Cameron document speaks out


In recent days, there had been much discussion about a document, held by Canadian researcher Grant Cameron, which purports to be a set of notes, concerning a 16 October 2002 meeting between Dr Eric Davis and US Admiral Thomas R Wilson. A copy of this document was uploaded, anonymously to the Internet, on 20 April 2019 according to the date stamp.


To place this document in context, we need to go back to a 1997 meeting between US researcher Steven M Greer, and Wilson,

The original Greer/Wilson meeting

On pages 151-152, of US researcher Steven M Greer's, 2006 book, titled "Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge," it states:

"The day after the Congressional briefings in 1997, I was asked to do a briefing for the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Tom Wilson. In advance of this important meeting we sent a document to his people. His assistant told me that the Admiral had, in fact, found these code names and code project names and numbers useful; he inquired through channels and found some of the ops in a cell in the Pentagon.

Once Admiral Wilson identified this group, he told the contact person in this super-secret cell: "I want to know about this project." And he was told, "Sir, you don't have a need to know. We can't tell you."

Now you can imagine being an Admiral, J-2, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the Pentagon, and being told, "We're not going to tell you"? Well, he was shocked and angry.

I took one of our witnesses, Shari, our military advisor, and the Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell with me to this meeting with the Admiral. It was a stand-up briefing. As the briefing progressed, he began canceling other appointments - he was so interested in the information. The only reason the meeting ended when it did was because Ed Mitchell had to get up to New York for a TV interview. But the Admiral, I know, would have kept it going for some time more.

During this briefing, the Admiral and I discussed the risk this rogue group - that had shoved him aside - was to the United States, the rule of law and to the national security. I pointed out that the first CIA director, Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoeter, had written a letter in the early 1960's stating that the secrecy related to UFOs - and not the UFOs - were a threat to the national security. I told the Admiral that this illegal, rogue group had ARV technology that can do circles around his B2 stealth bombers. He thought a minute and said, "Well, as far as I am concerned, if you can get people who know about this matter to talk on the record, you have my permission to go to the media with this! This group is illegal!" So when people ask who supported disclosure among others, I tell them the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff!"

Researchers have used the information provided by Greer, to determine that this meeting took place on 10 April 1997.

Confirmation sought

A number of people contacted Wilson to ascertain what he had to say about the reported meeting, with Greer and others. I am aware of at least two such contacts, besides the purported 2002 meeting between Eric Davis and Wilson.

In October 2006, US researcher Richard Dolan, reached out to Wilson. The following is a quote from part of a Dolan interview with Jimmy Church dated 19 December 2018.

"And then I actually went out of my way and I found Thomas Wilson. It's the only time in my life that I did an ambush interview on anyone. I felt kind of bad about it you know, but not really that bad. Wilson was working for an advanced aerospace company. I cannot remember the name of it but you know...after you leave the military you get roped, you get brought in. Senior VP for all the weaponry and technology for the breakaway civilization and that's really what he was doing. And I contacted him. I was able to find him and I pretended that I was just a regular conventional historian of the US Navy and that I'd learned about his career and I wanted to talk to him. And he was, he allowed me to call him.

And shortly into the phone call I had to say - look this I'm really calling because I'm an historian of the UFO phenomena and your name came up in a conversation, and that got his attention. I told him essentially about the story: the whole meeting with Greer and Edgar Mitchell. He was really funny because - he he'd gone from genial like relaxing in his big chair saying yeah let's have a nice long conversation - to an ultra high-pitched voice. And he was very angry and kept saying my memory is foggy, my memory is foggy. And then said, all of that was poppycock. He said - yes I did meet with them but everything else is poppycock...was his word. So I knew I got to him and then he hung up. He just ended abruptly the conversation. So I feel like that document that I was shown I am inclined to believe it, I think it was probably true. I think it got to Wilson. I got to Wilson."

2. US journalist Billy Cox also contacted Wilson. In an article dated 6 August 2008, Cox, in part, wrote:

"A retired high-ranking military intelligence official rumoured to have been snubbed in his attempts to obtain sheltered UFO data insists he never even bothered to look for it.

"Never," retired Rear Adm. Thomas R Wilson replied Tuesday when asked if he'd ever been barred from retrieving classified material, exotic or otherwise, during his career.

Wilson, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997 when he agreed at meet at the Pentagon with advocates of UFO declassification. Among them, he confirms, was Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell. The driving force behind that meeting was North Carolina UFO researcher and medical doctor Steven Greer. Greer founded The Disclosure Project in an effort to grant amnesty to government whistle-blowers willing to violate their security oaths by sharing insider knowledge about UFOs.

At least seven years ago...Greer was telling audiences about extracting a pledge from Wilson during that meeting to investigate special access projects involving UFO technology. But shortly thereafter, Greer claimed Wilson reported that he didn't have the proper security clearance to inspect those files.

As Greer informed a Portland, Ore. audience in 2001, Wilson said 'I am horrified that this is true. I have been in plenty of black projects, but when we tried to get into this one,' he was told, and I quote, 'Sir you do not have a need to know.' The head of intelligence Joint Staffs. You don't have a need to know. Neither did the CIA director, and neither did the president."

This story has been circulating on the Internet ever since, and made it into Greer's book "Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge," last year. But the thing didn't sprout legs until Mitchell began discussing the meeting during what turned out to be a media blitz in July.

Mitchell avoided all mention of Wilson's name, but in a July 4 appearance on "Larry King Live," the moonwalker told CNN audiences he'd learned the admiral "had found the people responsible for the cover-up and for the people who were in the know and were told, I'm sorry, admiral, you do not have need to know here and so, goodbye."

Now an executive with a Minnesota-based defense contractor, Wilson told De Void he accepted Mitchell's 1997 request "because he was a former astronaut and maybe had more credibility than some person off the street." Wilson says he doesn't remember who else attended that meeting, but he admitted "a certain amount of curiosity" about allegations of deep-black UFO projects.

"What is true is that I met with them," Wilson said in a phone interview. "What is not true is that I was denied access to this material, because I didn't pursue it. I may have left it open with them, but it was not especially compelling, not compelling enough to waste my staff's time to go looking for it."

Mitchell told De Void he never heard directly from Wilson after their initial meeting, but he says he trusts the veracity of the unnamed sources who told him of Wilson's inability to penetrate security.

Mitchell said he was "shocked" by Wilson's response to De Void, but added, "I do not wish to engage him on this matter."

Steven Greer refused to back down. "I was there and know what was said," he stated in an e-mail. "I was also informed prior to the meeting that, after sending him a secret document with UFO-related code names and numbers, that he located one of the compartments but was specifically denied access to the operation."

On the Cameron copy of the Davis notes

I have successfully located the person who first obtained the document, and spoken to him; and he has admitted obtaining the document, and of giving it to Grant Cameron.

This individual is, or was, active in the aerospace community. I asked my source if he had ever met Dr Edgar Mitchell? He replied that he had met him, briefly, on several occasions. However, that the Edgar Mitchell meetings may have nothing to do with the source of the documents.

The person I contacted, wishes to remain anonymous for the moment, as he believes that the document is the real story, not how he got hold of it. He has no wish to be involved any further.

This individual wishes it to be known that he had nothing to do with the dropping of the document onto the Internet. He was just as surprised as everybody else when it dropped, as he thought it was some time off. He also, has no idea who dropped it on the net, or who sent it to Richard Dolan. He states, it wasn't him.

My source says, categorically, that Grant Cameron did not drop the document either. My source adds, that he would neither confirm nor deny, that additional documents were given to Grant Cameron.

In conclusion

For now, let us focus on the contents of the document, while not forgetting that the provenance is also important.

Monday, June 10, 2019

The Australian Department of Defence comments on my UAP related questions

In view of the recent US Politico magazine and New York Times articles concerning Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), I approached the Australian Department of Defence for a response to the following questions.

"Background to my questions

1. On 23 April 2019 the US Politico magazine carried a story that the US Navy was issuing new guidelines for the reporting of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

2. On 26 May 2019 the New York Times newspaper carried a story that US Naval aviators had interacted with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena as recently as 2015.

My questions:

1. Has the Australian Department of Defence any current guidelines concerning the reporting by Department of Defence personnel, of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena? If so, may I obtain a copy?

2. If there are no current DoD guidelines, is there any section of the DoD which acts as a collection point for unsolicited reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena which might come from service personnel, e.g. through an aviation hazard reporting system? If so, might I have details?

3. Has the DoD any plans, based on US policy changes, to issue instructions to service personnel to report Unidentified Aerial Phenomena?"

The response, through the DoD media office, to whom I addressed my email, attributed to a spokesperson from Defence, was:

"Defence does not have a protocol that covers recording or reporting of UFO sightings."

Saturday, June 8, 2019

An alleged 2001 National Institute for Discovery Science document surfaces


I have recently been taking a look at the National Institute for Discovery Science, (NIDS) which Las Vegas business man Robert Bigelow created in the mid 1990's; as reported in Jacque Vallee's latest book "Forbidden Science: Volume Four." This provided a great insight into how NIDS operated.


The other day, on 4 June 2019, a document surfaced on which purports to be a memo from former NIDS staffer Dr Eric Davis, addressed to Bob Bigelow, dated 23 March 2001. I will scatter the eleven page memo throughout this post, so readers will have the original source document to review.

The memo is titled "Kit Green's professional evaluation of the 'Alien autopsy (from the Roswell Incident) Film/Video' and other related information."


Amongst the text in the memo, is information about a number of briefings which were attended by Green:

"Briefing #2: Unofficial briefing at the Pentagon ca 1987/88. After Kit left the CIA he was called into the Pentagon by a person in uniform. This person showed Kit the alien autopsy photos and reports etc. The photos of the alien cadaver Kit saw were consistent with the cadaver seen in the 1995 Santilli film/video. Kit was asked to professionally evaluate the material provided to him at this particular briefing."

"Briefing #3: Official briefing at CIA Ca 1991/92. While at General Motors, Kit was called into the CIA. The CIA people wanted his medical/forensic pathology expertise to examine and analyze some autopsy reports. The nature of these reports was left ambiguous during the briefing, but Kit was fully expecting them to be the alien autopsy reports he saw in briefing #2. But then no action took place after this briefing occurred and Kit was left hanging."


The document contains an email dated 5 August 1999 from Green to Puthoff which includes the words"

"Yes, I have read autopsy reports...I thought I had discussed with you and Jacques in San Diego in the fall of 1988."

I wondered if the "Jacques" here was Jacques Vallee, and if so, had Vallee mentioned anything about alien autopsies in either "Forbidden Science: Volume Three," or "Forbidden Science: Volume Four"?

From "Forbidden Science: Volume Three."

23 June 1985

Regarding Richard Niemtzow. "His ambition is to be the first physician to uncover the existence of Aliens, and he dreams of the day when the first alien autopsy report can appear in a medical journal. He is in touch with Leonard Stringfield who promised to introduce him to a doctor who had done such an autopsy, so he mentioned the conversation to Kit, who got angry at what he saw as his naive acceptance of the claims.: 'Tell Stringfield to drop the whole thing!' Kit told Richard."

4 December 1988

Re the "Cover-Up" TV program and speaking about Fred Beckman. "He has spoken at length on the telephone with Hal Puthoff, who reportedly hinted that his high contacts were convinced of the genuine nature of the photos."

29 January 1989

Valle speaking to Kit Green. "How are you doing with your investigation into alleged autopsies...The doctor you heard about?"

Green. "It turns out the doctor in question exists: indeed he was hired by the Government for consulting work, but he never did any autopsy. He only reviewed some alleged results consistent with reports dating back to Leonard Stringfield, stating that the aliens had two floating ribs in their chests. He's a thoracic surgeon with all the right clearances. He spent a month somewhere on a highly classified project. Now my guys are trying to find out if he's really getting a monthly check from the US Treasury."

15 February 1989

Speaking about Richard Niemtzow. "When the conversation turned to the possibility that the U.S. was hiding Aliens in its freezers was surprised to find him ready to believe the undocumented anatomical descriptions circulated by Stringfield.

Richard assures me he was once within one phone call of a doctor who had done an autopsy of an alien. Of course 'being within one phone call' means nothing: as Kit had told me, the doctor in question had not done an autopsy, but was  only asked to review the alleged results, quite a different thing."

15 April 1989

Vallee meets Green. "The doctor who is said to have reviewed the alien autopsy data is a Dr Crowley, a thoracic surgeon who  lives in Lancaster near Los Angeles. But it turns out he isn't receiving a monthly check from the government, after all. Again, who is lying?"

13 June 1989

Vallee. "I have tracked down Len Stringfield, who has been researching the 'dead Alien' angle for 12 years. He confirmed to me that in 1978-79 he was in touch with two doctors who allegedly did some autopsies, but he's unable to get anything from them anymore. 'They're retired and they just won't talk,' he told me."

5 July 1989

Vallee talks to Kit Green. ""By the way I asked him, 'you never did tell me what got you interested in these rumors about Alien bodies in the first place.'"

'It goes back to the seventies,' he answered. 'When the first alleged autopsy pictures came out, all that stuff by Len Stringfield.'

The pictures turned out to show bodies In coffin-like boxes with wires and pipes running into them, a bad joke."

30 July 1989

Vallee and Niemtzow speak about Valerie Ransone, who was mentioned in a conversation with Kit Green where Niemtzow mentioned Ransone.

Niemtzow. "'When I revealed to Kit, over lunch, that I knew her affiliation, he practically chocked on his lunch. He told me never to mention her again at the restaurant. I've only had that reaction from him twice in all the time I've known him.'

'Let me guess: the other time was in connection with Len Stringfield and the doctor who had done the autopsy, I suggested.'


9 October 1989

Valle writes. "There's nothing new with Dr William Crowley, of Lancaster, who was alleged to have preformed autopsies on Alien bodies. Kit points out again that the man is not a pathologist, therefore he could not have done such procedures himself, anyway, but he may have been asked to provide expertise as a thoracic surgeon who was also a cleared Air Force consultant. The autopsies are said to have been performed In the basement of the Guggenheim Foundation in New York city."

"Forbidden Science: Volume Four."

26 August 1990

Vallee writes. "Today a man named Armen Victorian called from England...The caller...started going down a list of topics that included Alien autopsies, various doctors (he mentioned a Dr Crowley)..."

10 April 1992

Kit Green says: "Yet I've never seen anything biological that was anomalous."

26 February 1994

Vallee talks with Robert Emenegger. Vallee: "I mentioned the absurd new yarn of Hynek witnessing autopsies. more disinformation, we agreed, managed from Washington. 'Something like that happened to me too,' he said, "I had a meeting at my home with a Colonel Phil 1947 three things came across his desk: a bad photograph of an autopsy of what looked like Aliens..."

17 January 1995

Vallee writes. "Messages on the Internet propagate a new meme from England. It was initiated three days ago by Reg Presley, lead singer of the rock group The Troggs: he claims that a videotape has been discovered, showing the autopsy of an Alien at Roswell. He said there were fifteen such videotapes, totalling 150 minutes of footage, dated 1947. The media aren't buying it. Videotapes had not been invented in 1947."

13 March 1995

Rumors from Fred Beckman, that while in Brazil, "the military down there showed you some films of alien autopsies...they think you saw the same films that surfaced in England..." Vallee thinks the rumors are a joke.

7 October 1995

Vallee was at the Omega Communications Conference. "I saw...Stanton Friedman...He expounded on the alien autopsy 'film,' taking it at face value, although of course there's no film, only a video."

3 February 1996

Vallee was at a NIDS Science Advisory Board meeting in Las Vegas. "In other words, we only work on what we choose to work on; we don't drop everything just because someone shows up with a film of extraterrestrial autopsies..."

1 April 1996

Hal Puthoff and John Alexander interview Phil Corso. "Corso claims that he was given...various autopsy reports from Walter Reed Hospital."

3 May 1996

Vallee interviews Corso. Corso says "We had autopsy reports from Walter Reed."

"What did those say?"

"The beings had scaly skin. Their brains had two frontal lobes. By the way on the autopsy movie the brains do have these extra lobes. And the double eyelids. ..."

"Anything else?" John asked.

""They had atrophied sex organs."

13 January 1997

Vallee writes. "Colonel Corso called me at home this morning...he appears troubled by the fact that the analyzes he saw, reportedly coming from Walter Reed Hospital were very superficial and 'just didn't seem right.'"

7 September 1998

Vallee. "When I heard...that a new television program would soon describe in detail the 'Alien autopsies of the KGB,' I did feel like throwing up."

My comments

1. Concerning the Green/Puthoff email, dated 5 August 1999,  reference to "Jacques" and "fall of 1988." I cannot find any matching details in Vallee's diary entries for that time period.

2. Likewise, I found no mention of a 1987/88 briefing of Kit Green's "alien autopsy photos and reports etc" in Vallee's diaries.

3. In addition, I found no reference in the diaries, to a Kit Green CIA briefing in 1991/92.

4. There are various references in both volume three and volume four, where Kit Green and Vallee talk about the subject of alien autopsies, but nothing seems to match the details given in the memo.

5. In summary, Vallee's diaries are silent on the topic of Kit Green's briefings, as discussed in the 2001, Eric Davis to Bob Bigelow, NIDS memo, that appeared recently.

Wednesday, June 5, 2019

The "creature" and the "portal" at the Skinwalker ranch - some concerns


Readers of this blog will be aware, that I have recently spend quite an amount of time examining details contained in Jacques Vallee's latest book "Forbidden Science: Volume Four." I did this, because, Vallee is recording history as it happened, in the form of diary entries. For some of the material found in the book, this is the only record we have of particular events or meetings.

One of my blog posts concerned the National Institute for Discovery Science. One aspect which interested me was the happenings at a ranch in Utah (commonly referred to as the "Skinwalker ranch.") My attention was drawn to one observation at the ranch, which is mentioned both in "Forbidden Science: Volume Four" and in the 2005 book, authored by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp, titled "Hunt for the Skinwalker."

The incident as described in "Hunt for the Skinwalker"

Source: Amazon Books

"Chapter 19
The Tunnel
August 25, 1997. The night was warm, clear and beautiful. The NIDS team was sitting silently on the edge of a bluff...Two colleagues were about a mile away on the far side of the property monitoring another hot spot. Mike and Jim had been in specific contact with them every couple of hours...

Some four hours into the watch, Jim the most experienced investigator, had quietly climbed down into the small pasture and had sat in the middle of the field to meditate. He had found over the years that meditation sometimes activated the "phenomenon," what ever that was, although it had happened too few times to be anything other than an anecdotal observation. Nothing happened.

At 2.30am, after a six hour watch, they decided to move their operation to a different part of the ranch. Quickly, they began to disassemble the camera from its tripod and pack up the two equipment containers filled with the tools of the scientific investigator's trade. Cameras, portable magnetic field detectors, and night-vision binoculars. In 1997, their generation-three binoculars were considered state of the art. They worked by amplifying low-level ambient light through a series of high tech photomultiplier tubes. They were far superior to the usual Russian night-vision equipment that looked just in the infra-red. Through these night vision binoculars, the scene appeared to be in daylight with sharp, crisp outlines, not the fuzzy wavy image visible through Russian equipment.

Just as Jim was thinking that his meditation hadn't produced a damm thing, his eye caught a very faint light on the track 150 feet below him. He watched, mildly puzzled, thinking that it might be a  small piece of glass on the track that was reflecting the ambient light. It was a faint yellowish color, and as he watched, it appeared to grow brighter. Twenty seconds later, he nudged Mike. It was definitely getting brighter and as both of them watched, it seemed slowly to be getting bigger.

"Hand me the camera," Jim muttered. At the same time, Mike quietly and efficiently unpacked the night-vision binoculars he had just put away. Jim set up the tripod and positioned his camera loaded with infra-red film in line with the light that had now grown to six inches in diameter. It was still a dull yellow but had definitely grown brighter. Carefully, Jim set the shutter to thirty seconds, reasoning that a long exposure might capture this mystery light on the freshly loaded roll of infra-red film. He was ready to pop off all thirty six shots if necessary.

As Mike brought the binoculars to his eyes, Jim heard the sharp sucking in of breath. Jim could see that the light was now more than a foot wide and was still growing larger. This was very obviously not a reflection. The dirty yellow expanding light seemed to be positioned above the ground, rather than directly on the ground, but Jim could not be sure.

"It's a tunnel, not just a light," Mike whispered. Jim ignored his partner's growing agitation as he increased the length of time exposures to forty then fifty seconds.

Mike was now standing up. "Jesus Christ," Mike said hoarsely. "Something's in the tunnel!"

Jim looked carefully at the light below. It had now expanded to more than two feet. Something that big should definitely register on his film. "Oh, my God," Mike said suddenly thoroughly frightened. "There is a black creature climbing out. I see his head. " Jim felt alarm. His companion was plainly bordering on panic.

"It has no face," whispered Mike. "Oh, my God, it just climbed out." Jim rubbed his eyes and shook his head. All he could see was a dirty yellow light, now about four feet in diameter, a hundred feet below him. Why couldn't he see what Mike was seeing? Suddenly it dawned on him. The binoculars. He motioned for Mike to hand them to him, but not before increasing the time exposure to ninety seconds.

Mike ignored him. "It's on the ground," he said, "Oh, my God, it walked away." As Mike danced on the ledge a few feet away, plainly in a panicky state, Jim could see the light decreasing in size. Within thirty seconds, the dull yellow light had shrunk to about half its full diameter and was losing intensity.
In the meantime, Jim pulled Mike over close to him and asked, "What happened?"

"A big black creature just crawled through that tunnel, got onto the ground, and walked away," Mike said. "That's what happened. And its lurking around here somewhere."

Jim felt a chill. "I only saw that yellow light," he said doubtfully, "Are you sure?"

"Jesus Christ, of course, I'm sure," Mike replied. "The night vision turned the light into a three-D tunnel, and a large creature, I am thinking maybe four hundred pounds, at least six foot tall, just crawled out of that damm tunnel." quickly, but he seemed to be regaining control over himself.
Mike was sweating profusely and still breathing quickly but he seemed to be regaining control over himself...By that time, the yellow light had gradually faded and was no longer visible...

After fifteen minutes or so, they grabbed some detectors and clambered as quietly as possible down the steep rock-filled ground below them...But once near the track, a strong odor assailed their nostrils...It seemed to be centred on the spot where the light or tunnel had been. Jim felt slightly nauseous from the pungent smell. Quickly, Mike scanned the ground in a twenty foot diameter circle for any signs of radiation...only background levels were detectable. Meanwhile, Jim scanned the area with a trifield meter to detect any unusual magnetic spokes. Nothing registered...The team spent the next day searching for footprints...but the ground was hard and none were visible...The photos were disappointing, showing only a single very faint light on one..."

In summary. One person saw a yellow light which grew brighter, and larger, then decreased in size. A second person, in the same spot, using night-vision binoculars reported seeing a tunnel, from which a creature crawled out on to the ground and then moved off.  There were no unusual radiation nor magnetic disturbances. Both smelt a pungent odor at the site of the light. 

My comments

1. The event occurred at 0230hrs on 25 August 1997 at latitude 109 deg 31 mins west and longitude 40 deg 27 mins north. Near Roosevelt, Utah. 

2. According to the Stellarium astronomy software program, at this time the Moon was at an elevation of 37 degrees; in the ESE (azimuth 101 degrees.) The Moon was at last quarter, thus, providing a degree of lighting sufficiently to see something at 100-150 feet away. 

3. The maximum size of the light was estimated as four feet, at 100 feet distance (though earlier in the text it said the light was 150 feet away.) Using the 100 foot distance, its maximum angular size was 2.3 degrees, almost five times the diameter of the full moon seen in the sky. Using the 150 foot distance, the maximum angular diameter would have been 1.5 degrees, three times the diameter of the full moon in the sky. Quite a large size, at either distance.

4. It seems to me, that a person looking at a 1.5-2.3 degree diameter light at a 100-150 foot range, should have visually noticed a dimming of the light, as a six foot black creature emerged from it. However, Jim did not report seeing anything of this kind.

5. I note that no noise was reportedly heard from the light or creature at any time.

6. It is a pity that we do not have the field of view in degrees of the binoculars, and an estimate of how much of the diameter of field of view both the light and the creature occupied, as an independent measure of actual, as opposed to estimated angular size.

7. The observation of the creature was reported by a single person, who described it to another person, to which it was not visible. 

Jacque Vallee's recollection of the event

Image courtesy of Amazon Books

On page 391 of Vallee's "Forbidden Science: Volume Four" in a diary entry dated 18 October 1997, Vallee reports on the 10th NIDS Science Advisory Board (SAB) meeting. This was the first meeting of the SAB since July 1997, and thus the first opportunity for Vallee to learn of the event. 

"There was an incident at the ranch on 28 August about 2am when Chad Deetken and Terry Sherman  saw a light from the ridge. Chad saw a glow and his photos show nothing, but Terry observed a ring of light, opening up above the ground and a black creature emerging from it. Going to the site later they found no tracks: ghost stories, after all.

During the observation Terry, a big strapping cowboy, was reportedly trembling with intense fright. Chad, who had looked through the same night vision system, saw nothing. This triggered a technical discussion among the physicists, and it caused Bob Bigelow to make an emotional speech to suggest that 'they' might be using means beyond our physics."

My comments

1. Note that the date given by Vallee is three days after the date given by Kelleher and Knapp.

2. According to Kelleher and Knapp, the observers were named "Mike" and "Jim." Whereas, Vallee names them as Chad Deetken and Terry Sherman. "Jim" equates to Deetken; while "Mike" equates to Sherman.

3. Terry Sherman was the real name of the ranch owner (before Bigelow bought it.) "Hunt for the Skinwalker," says that Sherman, whom they called Tom Gorman, had long thought that some of the lights he had seen, were "doorways" to other dimensions. Quoting, "Hunt for the Skinwalker":

"Tom felt like it could have been a tear or a rent in the sky about a mile away, and through the rent he could see a different world, or perhaps a different time."

"This incident convinced Tom that his ranch was the site of some kind of dimensional doorway..."

4. Who was Deetken? Vallee's book mentions him a few times:

a. Page 301. Deetken had been sent by NIDS to Puerto Rico to research crop circles and mutilations.

b. Page 391. "Chad Deetken always prayed to protect himself when he keeps watch at night."

c. Page 392. "Chad Deetken gave an impassioned but unscientific description of the English crop circles..."

5. Vallee states that both Terry Sherman and Chad Deetken looked through the night-vision binoculars. Terry Sherman reported seeing a black creature, but Chad Deetken saw nothing. 


What to make of the observation of a "creature" and a "tunnel." The fact that there was a quarter Moon illuminating the scene; that Jim, in my opinion, should have been able, visually, to see some alteration of the relatively large diameter light, if something came out of it, but didn't; plus the statement from Vallee that Jim (Deetken)  "...had looked through the same night vision system, saw nothing," provides me with concerns about this observation.


I thought I would do a bit of research about Chad Deetken.

I found an article dated 1 October 2014 in the "Salmon Arm Observer" which provided some details. It reported that Deetken became interested in the subject of crop circles in 1990, upon watching an episode of the TV series "Unsolved Mysteries." He then went on to investigate circles in his native Canada.

"In 1992, Deetken was invited to go to the stone monuments of Avebury in South Central England. Part of an investigative team, Deetken visited every year, but has given up going." Noting that hoaxing had become a part of the crop circle scene, the paper went on to say "...Las Vegas billionaire who invited Deetken to work for his National Institute for Discovery Science has since quit funding research in England."

I then found a number of crop circle websites with articles written by Deetken.

1. 1998. "Crop Formations and the Secrets of Deception"

2. 1998. "Crop Formation at Vanderhoof"

3. 1999. "The 1999 Avebury Avenue 3-D cubes. Another scam?"

4.  2005, Deetken featured in a documentary titled "Star Dreams: Exploring the Mysteries of the Crop Circles."

5. 2010, Deetken was still lecturing on the topic, and was cited here, as a "Recognized crop circle authority."

6. 2014, there was the "Salmon Arm Observer" article. 

Monday, May 27, 2019

Another explosive New York Times article about the US Navy and UAP


Another excellent article, about US Navy aviators, and Unidentified Aerial Phenomena has appeared in the 26 May 2019 edition of the New York Times. Again written by the New York Times Pentagon correspondent, Helene Cooper; the New York Times' Ralph Blumenthal; and author and researcher Leslie Kean, it is headlined 'Wow, what is that?' Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects.

The article is based on interview which the authors conducted with five US Navy pilots, who discuss sightings from the years 2014 and 2015. This was during Naval exercises, off the US East coast, off the states of Florida and Virginia.

Now, we already know some details of some of these sightings, as they have been mentioned by various commentators, over the last year or so. Plus, two videos taken in 2015, namely called "Gimbal" and "Go Fast," have been posted on the website of the To The Stars Academy. However, the New York Times article adds pilot names and additional information.

The purpose of this blog post, is to highlight some of this information. I will quote from the article and then add my personal comments, which hopefully will be useful to blog readers' understanding.

Frequency of sightings and speeds

There were objects which "...appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015...over the East coast..."

Comment: This suggests a date range of around June 2014 to March 2015.

"Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds."

Comment: The 2004 "Tic-Tac" object was reportedly travelling at hypersonic velocities at time. Note, though, that the NYT at this point, doesn't mention the shape of the objects.

"These things would be out there all day..."

Comment: Does this imply 24 hours a day, i.e. also at night?

One of the pilots, Lieutenant Ryan Graves "...reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress."

Comment: Here, yet again, is mention that pilots were discussing the matter with a part of Congress, likely to have been the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Near collision

"In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot had a near collision with one of the objects and an official mishap report was filed."

Comment: There is more detail about this near collision later in the article. Does this mean that we might obtain a copy of the mishap report via the FOIA?

"But the objects had gotten the attention of the Navy, which earlier this year sent out new classified guidelines for how to report what the military called unexplained aerial phenomena, or unidentified flying objects."

Comment: Note that the recent Pentagon statement to the New York Post confirmed that the AATIP did investigate "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena."

Date of one of the videos

"Videos filmed by Navy pilots show two encounters with flying objects. One was captured by the plane's camera off the coast of Jacksonville, Fla., on Jan 20, 2015...the second video was taken a few weeks later."


1. An analysis by myself and French researcher Christopher Spitzer, arrived at a date of 26 January 2015 for the "Gimbal" video based on audio commentary on the video which spoke of winds "from the west of 120 knots" at 7260 metres height. This date was based on upper atmospheric observations recorded on 26 January 2015, and the restricted movement of civilian aircraft traffic around Naval exercise areas.

Today, I checked the upper atmospheric soundings data for Jacksonville, Florida, station number 72206 for 0000 hrs zulu 20 January 2015. Nowhere from ground level to 32,195 metres does the wind velocity exceed 89 knots.

I also checked the data for 1200 hours zulu 20 January 2015 for Jacksonville. Again the maximum wind velocity from ground to 33,223 metres was 95 knots. At both times the wind was roughly from the west at most altitudes.

2. A few UFO researchers have insisted that the "Gimbal" and "Go Fast" videos were taken on the same day. However, here the NYT says "Go Fast" was taken a few weeks later.

US Navy guideline issued in 2014/2015

"Joseph Gradisher, a Navy spokesman, said the new guideline was an update of instructions that went out to the fleet in 2015, after the Roosevelt incidents."

Comment: We had not previously known that US Navy fleet instructions had been issued after the Roosevelt incidents.

"The sightings were reported " to AATIP "which analyzed the radar data, video footage and accounts provided by senior officers from the Roosevelt."

Comment: Former AATIP program manager Luis Elizondo hinted about such analyses, but so far no-one has been able to obtain the full data.

Details of some of the observations emerge

"Lieutenant Graves still cannot explain what he saw. In the summer of 2014, he and Lt Danny Accoin, another Super Hornet pilot, were part of a squadron, the VFA-11 'Red Rippers' out of Naval Air Station Oceana, Fla..."

Comment: Previously, we had not known the names of any of the 2015 incident pilots.

"The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980's-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter pilot after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar returns."

Comment: I guess it was logical, at that time, to suspect the new radar was misbehaving.

Graves: "...the objects persisted, showing up at 30,000 feet, 20,000 feet, even sea level. They would accelerate, slow down and then hit hypersonic speeds."

Comment: Interesting data.

"Lieutenant Accoin said he interacted twice with the objects. The first time after picking up the object on radar, he set his plane to merge with it, flying 1,000 feet below it. He said he should have been able to see it in his helmet camera, but could not, even though his radar told him it was there."

Comment: Possible radar malfunction?

"A few days later, Lieutenant Accoin said a training missile on his jet locked on the object and his infrared camera picked it up as well. 'I know I had it. I know it was not a false hit,' he said. But still, 'I could not pick it up visually."

Comment: More interesting data.

The pilots speculated that "...the objects were part of some classified and extremely advanced drone program."

Comment: Why would the US, if they had such a program, operate it in restricted air space, endangering US Navy pilots?

More on that near miss

"In late 2014, Lieutenant Graves said he was back at base in Virginia Beach when he encountered a squadron mate just back from a mission, 'with a look of shock on his face.' He said he was stunned to hear the pilot's words. 'I almost hit one of those things...The pilot and his wingman were flying in tandem about 100 feet apart over the Atlantic east of Virginia Beach when something flew between them, right past the cockpit. It looked to the pilot, Lieutenant Graves said,like a sphere encasing a aviation flight safety report was filed..."

Comment: More details here than previously known. Again could an FOIA request locate this Navy report?

"What was strange, the pilot said, was that the video showed objects accelerating to hypersonic speed, making sudden stops and instantaneous turns..."

Comment: Are they here referring to the "Gimbal" and "Go Fast" videos or other videos?

In conclusion

A very interesting, and historical article, from the New York Times. More data to be added to that which we already have. However, of course, we would all like to take a look at, and analyse for ourselves, the radar data; the infra-red data; the full length videos, and have an opportunity to see the original log book observations of the pilots involved. Not that I am doubting their words; just frustrated at the inability to do some proper analysis myself, and not rely on the NYT's interpretation; however accurate their summary is. They are, after all, journalists, and not analysts. 

Saturday, May 25, 2019

Another DoD spokesperson speaks out on AATIP


Late last year I wrote two blog posts titled "How the US Department of Defense acknowledged the existence of AATIP" and "More on how the Department of Defense acknowledged the existence of AATIP." 

In these posts, I noted the following three statements by DoD spokespeople:

1. In a piece in the New York Times dated 18 December 2017, one of the authors of the famous 16 December 2017 piece on AATIP, Ralph Blumenthal, speaking of another of the authors, namely Helene Cooper, said "Helene met with a Pentagon spokesman on Dec 8 for a response to the information we had gathered. The answer came swiftly. There had been a program to investigate UFOs but it ended in 2012..."

2. Journalist Sarah Scoles, wrote a piece for, dated 17 February 2018. She received a statement from one Major Harris, the principal spokesperson for the Under Secretary for Defense Intelligence and Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Cyber Policy. Harris advised Scoles, that AATIP was looking at foreign threats to 40 years out, plus the program was also looking at "aerodynamic vehicles engaged in extreme maneuvers with unique phenomenology..."

3. Major Harris was also the spokesperson for the DoD who responded to a May 2018 enquiry from Swedish researcher Roger Glassel. Part of Harris' response was:

AATIP...was to assess "far-term foreign advanced aerospace threats the United States," including anomalous events (such as sightings of aerodynamic vehicles in extreme maneuvers, with unique phenomenology, reported by U.S. Navy pilots or other credible sources.).

The latest DoD spokesperson

The 27 May 2019 edition of the "New York Post" carried an article written by Steven Greenstreet, titled "The Pentagon finally admits it investigates UFOs." It reports on a statement, issued by Department of Defense spokesperson, Christopher Sherwood. Sherwood, on his LinkedIn page states that he is currently a Public Affairs Specialist at Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs. 

The text of the article, in part, reads:

"In a statement provided exclusively to The Post, a Department of Defense spokesman said a secret government initiative called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification program "did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena."

This statement adds to the previous three cited above, namely, 1) unnamed spokesperson- "There had been a program to investigate UFOs but it ended in 2012..."; 2) Major Harris- the program was also looking at "aerodynamic vehicles engaged in extreme maneuvers with unique phenomenology..."; and 3) Major Harris - "including anomalous events (such as sightings of aerodynamic vehicles in extreme maneuvers, with unique phenomenology, reported by U.S. Navy pilots or other credible sources.)"

Another part of the Post's text was:

"And while the DoD says it shut down the AATIP in 2012, spokesman Christopher Sherwood acknowledged that the Department still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft."

However, there is no direct quote from Sherwood cited, which says "the Department still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft." What follows that text, is:

"The Department of Defense is always concerned about maintaining positive identification of all aircraft in our operating environment as well as identifying any foreign capability that may be a threat to the Homeland," Sherwood said.

"The Department will continue to investigate, through normal procedures reports of unidentified aircraft encountered by US military aviators in order to ensure defense of the Homeland and protection against strategic surprise by our nation's adversary's."

The above statement does not say anything about "alien spacecraft" but speaks in terms of "unidentified aircraft."

The April 2019, statement from the US Navy about them issuing new guideline to the Fleet, mentions reporting unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft.

Follow up

I tweeted to, and emailed via his website, the New York Post journalist who broke the story, asking for a copy of the full statement from  the DoD. I have heard nothing back to date.

I also emailed the DoD spokesperson, Christopher Sherwood and also asked him for a copy of the full statement given to the Post, for the purpose of fact checking the story which this blog post concerns. However, as of today I have had no response.


3 June 2019

No one in my networks have been able to obtain a copy of the full Sherwood statement.

Thursday, May 23, 2019

AATIP FOIA requests to the Defense Intelligence Agency- the 2017/2018 log is now online

Freedom of Information Log

The US Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) Freedom of Information Act Log for the fiscal year 1 October 2017 to 30 September 2018, is now available online. It is 57 pages in length, and details 434 requests for that fiscal year.

Why is that of interest to readers of this blog? Well, the New York Times article revealing the existence of the previously secret, Pentagon, program they named as AATIP, came out on 16 December 2017. Shortly after this date, various individuals submitted requests under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to the DIA. This new log reveals details of who asked for what, about the AATIP, and associated topics.


The individual requests range from very simple, to the complex. All however, aim to have the DIA provide documentation about, or generated by, the AATIP.

The first relevant request [FOIA-2018-00065 which I will shorten to the last digits] came from one Laurent Corbell, who requested:

"...all documents generated as part of the Defense Department's Advance Aviation Threat Identification Program, including the 490 page report that was described in the December 16 article in the Washington Post..."

Numerous other individuals picked up on the paper's mention of a 490 page report and asked for copies; while others such as John Greenewald [00067] specified "...documents pertaining to the outline, mission statement, objectives etc...;" and yet others, e.g. Emma Parry [00069] also included " files..."

Soon, knowing that it had been reported that Bigelow Aerospace had a contract with the DIA concerning the topic of our mutual interest, people sought "...all contracts with Bigelow Aerospace..." [00070 Greenewald]; "...contracts with Bigelow Aerospace..." [00073 Tom Jones]; "...Reports generated by Bigelow Aerospace..." [00074 Randall Counsman]; and "...the prepared report under Bigelow Advanced Aerospace System..." [00075 John Alexander.]

Requests then went quiet for a while, until Jack Brewer [00087 & 00088] sought "...all contracts pertaining to the...AATIP..." and "...all contracts undertaking with and funded provided to the National Institute for Discovery Science from dates 1995-2004."

Researcher Timothy S Cooper [00100] was even more specific in his request for "...all Project Able Gray documents...forwarded to...AATIP..."

To ascertain how the FLIR video had been released John Greenewald [00101] asked for documentation on the declassification process. Then, still on the topic of videos Robert Powell [00119] went after copies of the first two videos; details of the events where the videos were taken; records from the 2004 E2-Hawkeye aircraft; and notes from Fravor and Kurth.

In a February 2018 article on, journalist Sarah Scoles wrote about the Pentagon UFO videos. The DIA FOIA Log reveals that Scoles submitted a request [00116] asking for Bigelow related materials; and all data associated with individual incidents researched by AATIP.

Researcher Grant Cameron [00191] sought "...a copy of all FOIA requests that have been files from 2-4-2017 to 2-4-2018 asking for records for the AATIP..."

Overseas researchers

It wasn't only US researchers who submitted requests. Clas Svahn from Sweden; Michael Greshko; Australian Paul Dean, and myself; plus UK researcher Isaac Koi, also all put in requests.

Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP)

In a blog post dated 30 April 2018, Melbourne, Australia researcher Paul Dean, announced that the original name for what people were calling the AATIP, was in fact the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program. When UAP researchers learned that, they started submitting FOIA requests to the DIA, mentioning the AAWSAP, e.g. Jack Brewer [00259] and John Greenewald [00260.]

On 8 May 2018, I located an online copy of the DIA's solicitation for companies to undertake work on the AAWSAP. The solicitation number was HHM402-08-R-0211. So, soon after this discovery I filed a request myself [00290.] Around the same time so did Jack Brewer [00271] and UK researcher, Isaac Koi [00272.]

The final 2017/2018 request came from John Greenewald [00428] asking for a clean copy of the FLIR video and the release process undertaken.


Below, I'd like to highlight, and discuss a number of the requests made.

1. Because the topic of "Skinwalker ranch" and the visit there by a government official, had been mentioned in media reports associated with the AATIP, a number of people thought to seek ranch related material from the DIA, e.g. Anna Merlan [00241]; Burke Williamson [00414]; and Patrick martin [00420.]

2. An unusual request [00129] came from one Craig Strahler:

"Requesting any documents of the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and mentioning the name Craig Strahler."

Was Strahler a BAASS staffer; an AATIP staffer; a witness? Can any blog reader enlighten me?

3. Kelsey McKinney [00163] went after "...emails coming from Luiz Elizondo that reference 'Tom Delonge' and any emails sent to Luiz Elizondo that reference 'Tom Delonge.'" Delonge created the To The Stars Academy (TTSA); and Elizondo is currently a TTSA employee.

4. John Greenewald [00255] sought copies of various Defense Intelligence Reference Documents (DIRDs) and supplied a range of numbers. Where this list of numbers came from is unknown to me.

5. An interesting sidebar was the request from Katy Sandalis [00110] who asked for any AATIP documents held in the 490 page report, which mentioned the 1980 United Kingdom Rendlesham Forest incident. I do recall that Luis Elizondo has made references to speaking to Rendlesham witnesses.

6. Another interesting sidebar came from James Lawrence [00318]:

"Requesting all and any records pertaining to bismuth-magnesium alloys and metamaterials between the dates of 1947 and the present, and any documents using the keywords 'waveguide' and 'metamaterials.'"

This reference to bismuth-magnesium, refers to material allegedly retrieved from the Roswell "crash" which is commonly referred to as "Arts parts." My recent catalogue contains more information about these "parts."

7. Las Vegas journalist George Knapp [00158] submitted a request:

"Requesting all document, reports and contracts relating to and provided in conjunction with contract # HHM402-08-C-0072 Defense Intelligence Agency 2008-2010."

Why is this of interest? It doesn't even mention AATIP? Well, on 8 May 2018, after Paul Dean announced that the original program name was AAWSAP, I located an online copy of the 32 page DIA solicitation inviting firms to submit bids to undertake the AAWSAP for the DIA. The number of this solicitation was HHM402-08-R-0211.

So, what was George Knapp looking for with HHM402-08-C-0072? I have searched the net for an answer. Even the Loren Data Federal Business Opportunities website, which records every solicitation and subsequent contract is silent on the nature of 0072. At the moment, only George Knapp knows the answer to why 0072?

Please see the update at the end of this post for the solution to 0072!

8. Request [00239] is from one Steven Aftergood and sought "...a copy of the list that was recently transmitted to Congress of all DIA products produced..." under AATIP.

Some background is in order here. In a blog post date 15 August 2018, it was announced that a reference to the AATIP had been found in the "Congressional Record" dated 9 April 2018. A letter had gone from the DIA to Congress advising a list of "products" produced by AATIP.

In a 17 January 2019 article titled "More Light on Black Program to Track UFOs" Steven Aftergood revealed that he had acquired a list of the AATIP "products" from his FOIA request dated 15 August 2018 (responded to by the DIA on 16 January 2019.)

In summary

Almost no-one who has submitted an FOIA request to the DIA regarding the AATIP/AAWSAP has received a final response. If you did submit a 2017/2018 request, and have received a final response, I'd like to hear from you, at

The full DIA FOIA Log may be read here. 

Update: 24 May 2019

As can be seen in the comments section below, I received an anonymous comment, with some excellent information about the detail mentioned in George Knapp's DIA FOIA request.

My informant located a DIA document where HHM402-08-C-0072 was mentioned in a listing, and writes:

"HHM402-08-C-0072 is referred to as the contract PIIN (Procurement Instrument Identification Number) an identifier that consists of 13 alpha-numeric characters grouped to convey certain information. The first six numbers are the DodAAC; seven and eight are the fiscal year the PIIN was assigned; 9 is a letter representing the instrument type, and 10-13 are the four digit serial number.

"Now I would say that the "C" is the important digit here. And it would seem to represent the description of the "instrument type." Contracts of all types except indefinite delivery contracts, facility contracts, sales contracts, and contracts placed with or through other Government departments or agencies or against contracts placed by such departments or agencies outside the DoD."

In the list provided, which is a 240 page document; on page 14 there is a line which reads:


Here, HHM402-08-R-0211 is the number of the solicitation; HHM402-08-C-0072 is the contract PIIN; 19-Sep-08 is the issue date of the contract; and 20080910 is the offer due date.

So, the mystery of HHM402-08-C-0072 is solved!

Further update 24 May 2019

Today, Jack Brewer [FOIA number 00088] advised me, that in his blog post dated 26 May 2018 he reported the result of his request. He originally submitted the request on 23 December 2017; and the DIA response, dated 17 May 2018, was "Despite a thorough search, no documents responsive to your request were found."

Sunday, May 19, 2019

Jacques Vallee on the National Institute for Discovery Science


Given the recent interest in the activities of Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) and its involvement in the Defense Intelligence Agency's Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) between 2007-2012,  some people are still unaware that Robert Bigelow, Las Vegas property developer, had previously operated a similar organization, interested in both the subjects of UAP, and the paranormal.

Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) operated between 1995 and 2004. Via the Wayback Machine on the Internet it is still possible to explore some of the NIDS (now defunct) website.

With the January 2019 release of Jacques Vallee's latest book "Forbidden Science:Volume Four" there is an opportunity to gain some insights into the thinking of Robert Bigelow, and his NIDS, and hence into the BAASS operated AAWSAP. The following is a summary of the information contained in a number of Vallee's diary entries, which relate to the NIDS.

The formation of  the NIDS

Vallee records that Robert Bigelow rang him on 16 July 1995, and informed him that he, Bigelow was not going to continue with his funding of the "UFO Coalition" of the three major US UAP groups. Instead Bigelow intended to establish a new Institute.

"I want to work directly with the people who do research. New blood is desperately needed, there's no scientific discipline among ufologists. I'm forming an Institute and I want to attract world-class scientists to study UFOs and the paranormal including consciousness beyond death. I want you to think about it." (page 257.)

The next day Bigelow phoned again, to discuss his plans; outlining his need for 'a director who's good at administration but also understands the phenomenon.' Vallee writes 'There was a time when I would have jumped at such a job...'" (page 258.)

On 25 July 1995, Vallee and Bigelow met in person. Bigelow brought along a proposed organization chart. On 11 August 1995, Vallee advised Bigelow that he declined the position of the project's director, although he would consider a position on the NIDS science board.

Eight days later, Vallee and Hal Puthoff met the board of the NIDS. Initial members were Dean Radin and Diane Arcangel.

On 1 November 1995, Bigelow advised Vallee "of progress on our board of advisors" (page 294.) The chair was to be Dr Kit Green, Members would be Hal Puthoff, Marty Pilch, Dean Judd, General Jim Whinnery, John  Petersen, Emily Cook. Bigelow was trying to get Jessica Utts, Bruce Grayson, Senator Harrison Schmidt and Richard Deckart. Discussions between Green and Vallee, revealed that Green had laid down a number of conditions to Bigelow concerning the running of the Science Board, before accepting the position of Chair. At that point Vallee agreed to join the Science Board, as a member.

However, on 7 January 1996, Vallee writes that Bigelow on the phone had said "I applied the brakes because we didn't have the right management in place yet." (page 287.) Bigelow confirmed interviewing for three positions; namely two in the area of consciousness, and one in the area of aerial phenomena, Ron Blackburn, De Angelo of SAIC, Larry Lemke from Ames, were contacted. John Alexander spoke to Dr Robert Morris, and Dr Ken Ring.

First meeting

The NIDS Science Advisory Board (SAB) met once in December 1995 for an organizational meeting. Vallee was not present.

Second meeting

This was held in Las Vegas on 28 January 1996. There, Diane Arcangel was assembling a library; Air Force Lt Col Peter McDuff; Hal Puthoff; Dr Kenneth Klivington; Marty Pilch; John Petersen; Harrison Schmidt; JohnDale Solem; Dean Judd; were all present. Jessica Utts, Air Force Brigadier General Jim Whinnery; Emily Williams Cook; Ted Rockwell; John Alexander were also there. The meeting discussed NIDS' goals, visions and mission. Discussion ensued on Bigelow's dual focii for NIDS, to be on UAP, and survival after death. Las Vegas journalist George Knapp presented to the meeting about his research trip to the USSR.

At this meeting, Vallee learned that Bigelow became interested in survival researc "'after his 22-year old son died a few years ago in the desert. Bigelow became interested in UAP because he'd experienced unusual phenomenon as a child, with his grandparents." (page 296.)

Third meeting

The third NIDS SAB meeting occurred on 31 March 1996. Two new members attended, one of whom was Dr Ian Stevenson. Dean Jude was absent. NIDS had connected with Illebrand Von Ludwiger, (abduction researcher in Germany/Austria); Chad Deetken had been sent to Puerto Rico; and Peter McDuff, went to Mexico concerning UFO sightings. Puthoff and Alexander had visited Colonel P Corso. Dr Roger Leir and Derrel Sims presented on alien implants; and abduction researcher John Carpenter also presented to the SAB. Later Vallee, and Alexander met with Corso to obtain more details on Corso's claims.

Fourth meeting

On 1 June 1996, the fourth NIDS SAB meeting took place. There were three presentations by General Whinnery, re effects of g=forces on pilots and the relationship to consciousness. Former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell spoke about near-death experiences. On the question of implant analysis; the implants were found to contain common elements, and the SAB seemed to lean towards them being pieces of conventional metal, which had somehow, embedded in the human body.

Fifth meeting

The fifth meeting was on 3 August 1996. Senator Harry Reid attended the presentation which Vallee gave. The NIDS had hired three scientists as staff members,namely a biochemist; a molecular biologist, and a physicist (Dr Eric Davis.) By September 1996, the NIDS employed 11 people; 6 full time; and had purchased the Mount Wilson ranch in Nevada.

Present for part of the meeting were Ian Stevenson, and Bruce Grayson, plus Prof John Mack and associates. There was discussion on a possible partnership between PEER and NIDS. A mathematician Gian-Carlo Rota also joined the meeting.

Vallee writes "Administration issues threatened to bog down the discussion, starting with the changing definition of the Institute, no longer a granting agency. Bob wants to turn it into a working body that performs its own research and building relationships with centers of expertise, so, never delegating the analysis. Thus the SAB is elected as  working group rather than, merely a review and strategy board." (page 322.)

The biochemist was Dr Colm Kelleher; the microbiologist and veterinarian is George Onet, and the physicist was Dr Eric W Davis. The other permanent staff are John Alexander, a secretary and a receptionist. Also employed part time was George Knapp; Diane Arcangel; a Canadian studying cattle mutilations, and Shelley Wadsworth a local resident, in Nevada.

Sixth meeting

10 January 1997 saw the sixth NIDS SAB meeting take place. John Petersen presented on alternate futures; Bob Bigelow on the chronology of NIDS, and there was a summary of the NIDS budget.

"Bob outlined a new plan with two parts. Division I is devoted to 'survival of the human consciousness...Division II, 'Aerial Phenomena' continues surveillance of both properties, networking with ranchers, veterinarians and the police on mutilations and sample analysis.' (page 350.) John Dale Solem critiqued their work on implants. Jack Schmidt presented on lessons learned during hearings on mutilations in the 1970's. There was also, a brainstorming session about sensors and detection.

Vallee writes "it's clear the Board will not be consulted or even kept informed about grants funded by NIDS, such as John Mack's work." (page 352.)

My comment:

According to the above diary entry, both the Utah and the Nevada ranches were being surveilled. Details of the Utah ranch have been published in part; however, I can find no mention of the results of surveillance of the second, Wilson, Nevada, ranch.

Seventh meeting

This took place on 9 March 1997. Jessica Utts presented on the subject of statistics in parapsychology. George Onet reported on necropsy of a mutilated cow. Bigelow showed a TV documentary about near-death experiences.

Vallee found out that through the Institute, Bob Bigelow is channeling money to:

(1) A European book by Von Ludwiger.
(2) John Mack's exploration of multiple witness abduction cases.
(3) Immunology related to NDEs by Kelleher and Melvin Morse.
(4) Communication devices built by Putoff.
(5) John Petersen's "Day after" scenarios.
(6) An evaluation of mediums by Stevenson and Cook.
(7) A cattle mutilation survey by Onet.
(8) A seminar series on survival of consciousness led by Alexander.
(9) A crop circle study by Kit and Kristin (Green's life partner), with Kelleher and Deetken.
(10) A new Roper poll.

My comment:

On 7 June 1999, NIDS circulated a press release titled "How would humans react if ET landed" which provided the results of the (10) Roper poll on that particular "Day After" scenario.

Vallee writes "The hard truth is that the NIDS board is too busy trying to invent gadgets and feed their own projects to stop and think seriously about science fundamentals and the deeper nature of the phenomenon." (page 360.)

Eighth meeting

The eight meeting was on 2 May 1997. "Steve Trevino, who had just made a presentation to Kit and Bob, was there as well as Tommy Blann, an investigator from Texas, who now lives in Florida. An evening session was held to discuss cattle mutilations.

Vallee writes "Another aspect of the phenomenon that had become clear is its human origin. Carcasses have suffered injections and traction by clamps or other devices. It is common for the animals to be dropped, sometimes from considerable heights. Also common is the sight of helicopters." (page 365.)

"The Science Board spent most of the day discussing the Utah ranch in closed session. Three members were missing: Ian Stevenson, Melvin Morse and GianaCarlo. So there were thirteen of us with Bob..." (page 365.)

Edgard Mitchell gave a summary of the April 8-10 1997 Greer briefings.

'Most of the afternoon was spent discussing candidates for the position of consciousness at UNLV." (page 369.)

Ninth meeting

At the ninth meeting on 19 July 1997 "Ian Stevenson, Emily Cook and Bruce Grayson have sent abrasive letters criticizing the lack of research." (page 377.)

"We heard good staff reports about the Utah ranch." (page 378.)

Tenth meeting

17 October 1997 saw the tenth SAB meeting. "'What if two-way communication does happen?' Bob asked. He is convinced that one-way exchanges (from 'them' to Eric) have already taken place, in the form of telepathic messages and dreams." (page 391.)

"Chad Deetken gave an impassioned, but unscientific description of the English crop circle around Alton Barn and Silberry Hill. He discounted the hoax hypothesis." (page 392.)

"In the afternoon I said it was time to reinvent the Institute. We had lost sight of our constituency; I emphasized: do we work for the public good? The scientific community? Paranormal researchers? There was an urgent need to tighten up our procedures and to better protect our people in the field. I suggested using the Nevada (Wilson) ranch as a control site against the Utah property." (page 392.)

Eleventh meeting

The eleventh meeting took place on 11 January 1998. "Colm gave an excellent report on work at the ranch, then discussions centred on Bob's  plans to raise the visibility of 'aerial phenomena' to the national level. Against Kit''s protestations he led us through elaborate exercises designed to align us to his scheme. I stressed that the aspect of NIDS I most admired was precisely that we hadn't tried to grab headlines." (page 401.)

"The Utah ranch is quiet...There hasn't been a single new case of a physical UFO there." (page 401.)

Vallee missed part of this meeting so Bigelow filled him in on Bigelow's proposal to sponsor two new studies, "on the subject of the social effect of an announcement of (1) a major asteroid fall and (2) the reality of UFOs as extraterrestrial craft." (page 402.)

Vallee on Bigelow. "He has a deeper agenda, an inner certainty that a dramatic development (spectacular display by the phenomenon or striking announcement by the government) will happen 'soon.' When I pointed out that research at the ranch could lead to a statement about the reality of UFOs, however, he said he'd practically given up on this, the evidence would never be good enough...Yet Bob believes there is an MJ-12 and that the Phenomenon has done things that could have large impact, but the public was appraised as not being ready." (page 402.)

Twelfth meeting

The 12th meeting was on 25 April 1998.  " our Institute becoming 'just another Shirley Maclaine with lasers?' someone asked with humor."

"After the last session Bigelow spoke to Kit on the phone for a long time, trying to convince him that events at the ranch were real and couldn't be explained on psychological grounds." (page 409.)

Thirteenth meeting

Martin Pilch chaired the meeting on 11 July 1998. There was a review of the Sturrock/Rockefeller project. Colm Kelleher reported on the ranch.

Fourteenth meeting

At the 10 October 1998 meeting, "The group reviewed the first three years of NIDS." (page 420.)

"Today the Board...tackled the challenge posed by Bob Bigelow of engaging the scientific community. I said it didn't make sense to speak in the same sentence of getting visibility with the public AND with science (two radically different things,) impressing the media while gaining the confidence of secret sources (an obvious contradiction) taking an advocacy position while research is incomplete and crusading for the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis while testing theories that may not involve ETH at all."

"Look at the data from the Utah ranch," I said, "where we have every paranormal phenomenon except for flying saucers." (page 426.)

Fifteenth meeting

Vallee noted about the 8 January 1999 meeting, "Bob Bigelow is still fascinated with 'Day After' scenarios...he went over the history of our efforts, from the initial interest to appeal to the military to the more recent idea of having our own contingency plan if it turned out, as he put it, that 'we are cohabiting on the Earth with non-human entities that controlled our destiny.'" (page 439.)

There was a lecture by Michael Lindemann, futurist. Puthoff put Lindemann in touch with Petersen, "which led to the idea of running 'First Contact' scenarios under the sponsorship of Firmage. For silly reasons were not supposed to know that Joe is involved. We ended up discussing Kairos. Al Harrison pointed out that 'After spending $2 million Firmage had failed to have any impact. The idea of going to the public is fundamentally flawed.' That took some wind out of Bob Bigelow's sails. Yet he remains convinced we are confronted with a 'scenario-selecting agent,' which implies that 'our state of acceptance will determine when and how confirmation occurs.' (pp439-440.)

"Bob got up to dictate our new role: to provide information on sightings and other events. Bob and Colm will contact us twice and each member will be expected to call with current information. With a group as busy as this, I don't think that's realistic. Bob' strengths as a visionary business manager (high demand for on-time results, quantifiable budgets with tight schedules) are not the best tools in fundamental research: one needs to pick extraordinary staff members and trust them: to give them the opportunity to fail." (page 440.)

"Bob...told me about changes planned around the Institute. I recommended a sober, quiet, non-flashy approach to the Congressional research Service as a reliable, low-key, respected gateway to senior legislators. " (page 441.)

The Utah ranch and UAP

Why was the Utah ranch selected? The answer lies on page 326, in a diary entry dated 15 August 1996. Vallee, speaking about a ranch in Nevada which was being looked at by Bigelow, with a view to purchase, writes "...another more interesting situation had popped up - a ranch in Utah where cattle mutilations, strange lights and bizarre objects were being reported 'almost daily.'"

However, as far as UAP went, Vallee points out, the volume of the UAP events at the Utah ranch was extremely low. On page 353 of his book, Vallee cites meeting with three NIDS staffers. "Expectations of frequent sightings of UFOs at the Utah ranch have not materialized." they said, "so what are we supposed to work on?"

By 11 January 1998, (page 401) "The Utah ranch is quiet, with no new incidents. There hasn't been a single new case of a physical UFO there."

And by 10 October 1998 (page 426) Vallee says "Look at the data from the Utah ranch" I said, "where we have every paranormal phenomena - except for flying saucers."

The NIDS mission

Initially, Robert Bigelow stated "I want to work directly with the people who do the research" as cited by Vallee on 16 July 1995. Vallee states (3 August 1996) "Bob wants to turn it into a working body that performs its own research." On 10 January 1997, "Bob outlined a new plan..." By 9 March 1997, the Institute was funding projects across the areas of abductions, near-death experiences; cattle mutilations; and crop circles. On 10 October 1998, Bigelow wished the SAB to see how best to engage the scientific community. On 9 January 1999, "Bob got up to dictate our new role, to provide information on sightings."

It seems to me, on reading the discussions on the mission of the NIDS, that it kept changing, and this was solely at Bigelow's instigation.

Parallels between the NIDS and BAASS

Some parallels can be drawn between the 1995-1999 NIDS era, and the later 2007 to 2012 AAWSAP BAASS contract era.

In a 19 March 2018 interview with former Senator Harry Reid, the New York Magazine revealed that Bigelow, around 2006/2007  received a letter from a senior employee of a federal national security agency. That employee told Bigelow "I want to go to your ranch in Utah." After which, the employee visited the ranch and was impressed enough that they assisted Reid by writing the AAWSAP Defense Intelligence Agency solicitation document. Although Reid does not provide the employee's name, the DIA documentation states that the AAWSAP manager was one James T Lacatski.

Journalist George Knapp, and film producer Jeremy Corbell, both insist that the Utah ranch was a focus of the BAASS investigation (BAASS received the AAWSAP contract.)

However, the DIA solicitation is silent about anything to do with  activities on any ranch. Hence, here is an obvious contradiction, which is impossible to unravel without direct input from James T Lacatski and Robert Bigelow. Neither of whom have ever spoken publicly about this.

Given Vallee's comments about the level of UAP activity, at the Utah ranch between 1995 and 1999, one can pose the question as to what was the level of UAP activity when Lacatski visited the ranch around 2006/2007? Was it the UAP activity or other paranormal activity which caught his attention? If it was the paranormal attention, then how come the DIA solicitation document doesn't mention this?

In summary

The diary entries in Vallee's latest book, allow us some deeper insights about the thinking of Robert Bigelow, and the work of the NIDS, than I had previously had.

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