Saturday, June 8, 2019

An alleged 2001 National Institute for Discovery Science document surfaces

Background

I have recently been taking a look at the National Institute for Discovery Science, (NIDS) which Las Vegas business man Robert Bigelow created in the mid 1990's; as reported in Jacque Vallee's latest book "Forbidden Science: Volume Four." This provided a great insight into how NIDS operated.

Introduction

The other day, on 4 June 2019, a document surfaced on imgur.com which purports to be a memo from former NIDS staffer Dr Eric Davis, addressed to Bob Bigelow, dated 23 March 2001. I will scatter the eleven page memo throughout this post, so readers will have the original source document to review.

The memo is titled "Kit Green's professional evaluation of the 'Alien autopsy (from the Roswell Incident) Film/Video' and other related information."

Briefings




Amongst the text in the memo, is information about a number of briefings which were attended by Green:

"Briefing #2: Unofficial briefing at the Pentagon ca 1987/88. After Kit left the CIA he was called into the Pentagon by a person in uniform. This person showed Kit the alien autopsy photos and reports etc. The photos of the alien cadaver Kit saw were consistent with the cadaver seen in the 1995 Santilli film/video. Kit was asked to professionally evaluate the material provided to him at this particular briefing."

"Briefing #3: Official briefing at CIA Ca 1991/92. While at General Motors, Kit was called into the CIA. The CIA people wanted his medical/forensic pathology expertise to examine and analyze some autopsy reports. The nature of these reports was left ambiguous during the briefing, but Kit was fully expecting them to be the alien autopsy reports he saw in briefing #2. But then no action took place after this briefing occurred and Kit was left hanging."



Vallee

The imgur.com document contains an email dated 5 August 1999 from Green to Puthoff which includes the words"

"Yes, I have read autopsy reports...I thought I had discussed with you and Jacques in San Diego in the fall of 1988."

I wondered if the "Jacques" here was Jacques Vallee, and if so, had Vallee mentioned anything about alien autopsies in either "Forbidden Science: Volume Three," or "Forbidden Science: Volume Four"?



From "Forbidden Science: Volume Three."

23 June 1985

Regarding Richard Niemtzow. "His ambition is to be the first physician to uncover the existence of Aliens, and he dreams of the day when the first alien autopsy report can appear in a medical journal. He is in touch with Leonard Stringfield who promised to introduce him to a doctor who had done such an autopsy, so he mentioned the conversation to Kit, who got angry at what he saw as his naive acceptance of the claims.: 'Tell Stringfield to drop the whole thing!' Kit told Richard."

4 December 1988

Re the "Cover-Up" TV program and speaking about Fred Beckman. "He has spoken at length on the telephone with Hal Puthoff, who reportedly hinted that his high contacts were convinced of the genuine nature of the photos."

29 January 1989

Valle speaking to Kit Green. "How are you doing with your investigation into alleged autopsies...The doctor you heard about?"

Green. "It turns out the doctor in question exists: indeed he was hired by the Government for consulting work, but he never did any autopsy. He only reviewed some alleged results consistent with reports dating back to Leonard Stringfield, stating that the aliens had two floating ribs in their chests. He's a thoracic surgeon with all the right clearances. He spent a month somewhere on a highly classified project. Now my guys are trying to find out if he's really getting a monthly check from the US Treasury."



15 February 1989

Speaking about Richard Niemtzow. "When the conversation turned to the possibility that the U.S. was hiding Aliens in its freezers was surprised to find him ready to believe the undocumented anatomical descriptions circulated by Stringfield.

Richard assures me he was once within one phone call of a doctor who had done an autopsy of an alien. Of course 'being within one phone call' means nothing: as Kit had told me, the doctor in question had not done an autopsy, but was  only asked to review the alleged results, quite a different thing."

15 April 1989

Vallee meets Green. "The doctor who is said to have reviewed the alien autopsy data is a Dr Crowley, a thoracic surgeon who  lives in Lancaster near Los Angeles. But it turns out he isn't receiving a monthly check from the government, after all. Again, who is lying?"



13 June 1989

Vallee. "I have tracked down Len Stringfield, who has been researching the 'dead Alien' angle for 12 years. He confirmed to me that in 1978-79 he was in touch with two doctors who allegedly did some autopsies, but he's unable to get anything from them anymore. 'They're retired and they just won't talk,' he told me."

5 July 1989

Vallee talks to Kit Green. ""By the way I asked him, 'you never did tell me what got you interested in these rumors about Alien bodies in the first place.'"

'It goes back to the seventies,' he answered. 'When the first alleged autopsy pictures came out, all that stuff by Len Stringfield.'

The pictures turned out to show bodies In coffin-like boxes with wires and pipes running into them, a bad joke."

30 July 1989

Vallee and Niemtzow speak about Valerie Ransone, who was mentioned in a conversation with Kit Green where Niemtzow mentioned Ransone.

Niemtzow. "'When I revealed to Kit, over lunch, that I knew her affiliation, he practically chocked on his lunch. He told me never to mention her again at the restaurant. I've only had that reaction from him twice in all the time I've known him.'

'Let me guess: the other time was in connection with Len Stringfield and the doctor who had done the autopsy, I suggested.'

'Precisely.'"



9 October 1989

Valle writes. "There's nothing new with Dr William Crowley, of Lancaster, who was alleged to have preformed autopsies on Alien bodies. Kit points out again that the man is not a pathologist, therefore he could not have done such procedures himself, anyway, but he may have been asked to provide expertise as a thoracic surgeon who was also a cleared Air Force consultant. The autopsies are said to have been performed In the basement of the Guggenheim Foundation in New York city."

"Forbidden Science: Volume Four."




26 August 1990

Vallee writes. "Today a man named Armen Victorian called from England...The caller...started going down a list of topics that included Alien autopsies, various doctors (he mentioned a Dr Crowley)..."

10 April 1992

Kit Green says: "Yet I've never seen anything biological that was anomalous."

26 February 1994

Vallee talks with Robert Emenegger. Vallee: "I mentioned the absurd new yarn of Hynek witnessing autopsies. more disinformation, we agreed, managed from Washington. 'Something like that happened to me too,' he said, "I had a meeting at my home with a Colonel Phil Corso...in 1947 three things came across his desk: a bad photograph of an autopsy of what looked like Aliens..."

17 January 1995

Vallee writes. "Messages on the Internet propagate a new meme from England. It was initiated three days ago by Reg Presley, lead singer of the rock group The Troggs: he claims that a videotape has been discovered, showing the autopsy of an Alien at Roswell. He said there were fifteen such videotapes, totalling 150 minutes of footage, dated 1947. The media aren't buying it. Videotapes had not been invented in 1947."



13 March 1995

Rumors from Fred Beckman, that while in Brazil, "the military down there showed you some films of alien autopsies...they think you saw the same films that surfaced in England..." Vallee thinks the rumors are a joke.

7 October 1995

Vallee was at the Omega Communications Conference. "I saw...Stanton Friedman...He expounded on the alien autopsy 'film,' taking it at face value, although of course there's no film, only a video."



3 February 1996

Vallee was at a NIDS Science Advisory Board meeting in Las Vegas. "In other words, we only work on what we choose to work on; we don't drop everything just because someone shows up with a film of extraterrestrial autopsies..."

1 April 1996

Hal Puthoff and John Alexander interview Phil Corso. "Corso claims that he was given...various autopsy reports from Walter Reed Hospital."



3 May 1996

Vallee interviews Corso. Corso says "We had autopsy reports from Walter Reed."

"What did those say?"

"The beings had scaly skin. Their brains had two frontal lobes. By the way on the autopsy movie the brains do have these extra lobes. And the double eyelids. ..."

"Anything else?" John asked.

""They had atrophied sex organs."

13 January 1997

Vallee writes. "Colonel Corso called me at home this morning...he appears troubled by the fact that the analyzes he saw, reportedly coming from Walter Reed Hospital were very superficial and 'just didn't seem right.'"

7 September 1998

Vallee. "When I heard...that a new television program would soon describe in detail the 'Alien autopsies of the KGB,' I did feel like throwing up."


My comments

1. Concerning the Green/Puthoff email, dated 5 August 1999,  reference to "Jacques" and "fall of 1988." I cannot find any matching details in Vallee's diary entries for that time period.

2. Likewise, I found no mention of a 1987/88 briefing of Kit Green's "alien autopsy photos and reports etc" in Vallee's diaries.

3. In addition, I found no reference in the diaries, to a Kit Green CIA briefing in 1991/92.

4. There are various references in both volume three and volume four, where Kit Green and Vallee talk about the subject of alien autopsies, but nothing seems to match the details given in the memo.

5. In summary, Vallee's diaries are silent on the topic of Kit Green's briefings, as discussed in the 2001, Eric Davis to Bob Bigelow, NIDS memo, that appeared recently.

3 comments:

  1. Hey Keith, you might want to look at this https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/bf0e2r/leak/
    It was 'leaked' on reddit by the same person who puposedly linked the authopsy conversation. I'd love to read your take on this too.

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    1. Hi randomUFObuff,

      I am working on such a blog post at the moment.

      Delete
  2. It's 15 pages. At page 11 there is a semi obscure prompt for 4 more pages.

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