A strange series of sightings - Hobart, Tasmania - 1959

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Yet another interview from the 1967 McDonald collection.

Identification Code/CD Number: 3T18S202/CD55

Date Recorded: 6 July 1967

File Size: 10.1 MB

Interview Duration (m:s): 10:33

Interview Details: James McDonald interviews Alan D Shaw (Part 1)

Sighting Date: 8 January 1959

Sighting Time: 0900 hrs

Location of Sighting: Hobart Bay, Risdon, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Duration of Sighting: 15 minutes

Witness(es): Alan D Shaw and W L Newton; both electrical engineers for the Tasmanian Hydroelectric Commission.

Summary:

The two men were inspecting a transmission structure near the Electrolytic Zinc Company of Australasia.  They were outside during the observation.

Shaw read a typed statement to McDonald, that Shaw had prepared on the day of the incident.

At 0920 hrs Shaw drew Newton’s attention to what appeared to be a piece of newspaper in the air.  The object may have been caught in an updraft, over the zinc works, at an estimated height of 1000 feet (300 metres), it floating downwards to about 200 feet (60 metres).  It then accelerated to a high speed and disappeared between two buildings, about a quarter of a mile (400 metres) away.  It was travelling at about 30 to 60 mph (110 to 220 kilometres per hour), and appeared ‘flexible’ in shape.  They later searched the area and found nothing to account for this sighting.

Newton then saw a similar second object, and both men watched it until it disappeared, behind the admin building, a few seconds after the first object disappeared from view.

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To the north-west, both men then saw a third, high flying, high speed object, which travelled across the sky and disappeared behind Mount Direction, that is 1469 feet (448 metres) high.  This one was small, and flashing a white light at 1500 cycles per minute.  It appeared to be several thousand feet (over 300 metres) high.  In one second it travelled through an angle of 20 degrees.  A similar object was seen to the north-east.  At one time this object made large clockwise circular motions in the sky.  This object hovered, then moved towards the sun, before being stationary.

After seeing these four objects, the men witnessed two more.  The latter two were jet black in colour and elongated, and observed to the north of the sun.  Mr Newton thought they had emerged from the fourth object seen.  They looked like inverted bowling skittles with the ball leading.  The men each watched one of these black objects to watch.  Shaw’s one neared the Derwent River which at this point is 600 yards (550 metres) wide.  He thought his black object was three to six feet (one to two metres) long and 300 yards (275 metres) away.  When it got to about 100 feet (30 metres) above the river it stopped, then moved horizontally to the south for about 100 feet (30 metres).  It descended vertically and entered the water with no splash, at 1800 feet (550 metres) from Shaw.  Two seagulls were passing by and they appeared to momentarily stop and investigate the area where the object entered the river.  The time was 0945 hrs.

The weather was sunny, with a light southerly breeze with sparse clouds.  Both men were wearing sunglasses during the observation.

Identification Code/CD Number:  3T19S101/CD56

Date Recorded: 6 July 1967

File Size: 19.3 MB

Interview Duration (m:s): 20:09

Interview Details: James E McDonald interviews Alan D Shaw (Part 2)

Sighting Date: 8 January 1959

Sighting Time: 0900hrs

Location of Sighting: Hobart Bay, Rison, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Duration of Sighting: 15 minutes

Witness(es): Alan D Shaw and W L Newton

Summary:

Mr Shaw advised McDonald, that he (Shaw) had, the previous year, given a talk to the local Astronomical Society about the events of 1959.  Shaw had prepared slides illustrating the event, which he and McDonald viewed as they spoke.

Shaw said that both the weather bureau and the Royal Australian Airforce (RAAF) had been informed of the observations but that no one had an explanation for what was seen.  A check for weather balloons found that on this day none were released, apparently due to faulty equipment.

Shaw advised McDonald that on that day, a total of six objects had been seen.  Two ‘paper’ like ones; two flashing ones and two black ones.

When viewing the slides, McDonald clarified various points which Shaw read out from his prepared statement (without the slides it is difficult to follow parts of the conversation).

The newspaper like objects that appeared to be a 2:1 ratio in size, and they were ‘flexing’ as they moved.  The second one at times had a shape similar to a carrot or a turnip.  These disappeared behind buildings.

The black objects were near the sun.  With sunglasses, and obscuring the sun, the black objects were clearly outlined and visible.  They had no surface features.  They were dull, jet black.  When the object had entered the water he had seen no obvious splash.

McDonald states that objects entering the water is of interest to him.

Shaw said that the resident RAAF officer commented to Shaw that he may as well forget what he had seen.

Shaw gave a talk about the incident to members of the local Astronomical Society, as he was a member of that group.

Ron Sullivan - Victoria - April 1966

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On April 4, 1966, Ron Sullivan was driving by car at night when he saw a 'light' in an adjacent paddock. He then stated that the headlights of his car veered to the right for no apparent reason. Later inspection revealed an unusual area of disturbed soil in the paddock where the 'light' had been observed. 

The incident was recorded at the time in:

1. The 'Melbourne Age.' 7 & 12 April 1966.
2. The 'Ballarat Courier.' 12 April 1966.
3. The 'Maryborough Advertiser.' 15 April 1966.
4. APRO Bulletin. May 1966. p.1.
5. Australian Flying Saucer Review (Victorian edition) No. 5, p.12. July 1966.

James E McDonald interview

The following is drawn from an audio recording with Ron Sullivan, by James E McDonald, during a visit to Australia in 1967. 

Identification Code/CD: 3T16S204/CD52

Date Recorded: July 1967

File Size: 21.0 MB

Interview Duration (m:s): 21:55

Interview Details: James McDonald interviews Ronald F Sullivan

Sighting Date: 7 April 1966

Sighting Time: Ca. 2030 hrs

Location of Sighting: Maryborough to St Arnaud Road, Victoria, Australia

Duration of Sighting: Not stated during recording

Witness(es): Ronald F Sullivan

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Sullivan was driving long a bitumen road in a 1965 Ford Falcon sedan, at approximately 60 mph (96 km/hr) speed.  The sky was very clear.  There was no moonlight and there was a slight breeze.  He first saw a light and thought it was the rear lights of a tractor in a paddock.  As he got closer he saw a light, that lifted off the ground.  This light had, ‘Tubes of coloured lights.’  These ‘lights’ were, ‘All the colours of the spectrum.’  The tubular coloured lights were coming off it.  There appeared to be a, ‘Disc or cone 10 to 15 feet (3 to 4.5 metres) in diameter.’  Each ‘tube’ was four to five inches (10 to 13 cm) in diameter.

The police determined that the position of the object, in the paddock, could have been 20 to 30 feet (6 to 9 metres) from the road, since a depression was found in the paddock located that distance from the road.  The ‘disc’ was estimated to be 20 to 30 feet (six to nine metres) above the ground, at one point.

The most unusual aspect was that this car’s headlight’s beam ‘bent’ to the right, towards this light formation, ‘As if they were magnetised.’

McDonald asked if Sullivan could see the beams of his headlights, Sullivan said, ‘Yes.’  Questioning then lead to the suggestion that a car, half a mile ahead (one km), and going in the same direction, as Sullivan, was kicking up dust.  This was suggested as the reason Sullivan could see the beams of his headlights.  The headlights of the car were sealed in and could not independently move.

The police, Sargent Suttie of Maryborough, found a ground marking in the paddock.  A circular depression in the ground, four to five feet (10 to 13 cm) in diameter and seven to eight inches (18-20cm) deep.  These measurements were smaller than what Sullivan would have estimated from the size of the ‘disc’.  There were no human or animal markings around the depression.  The soil inside seemed to have been rippled in a clockwise direction.

Ron Sullivan in 2014 - image courtesy VUFOA

Sullivan noted no unusual noise above the noise of his vehicle.  The motor of his car was not affected, just the headlight’s beam appeared bent.  Responding to a question from McDonald about suffering any physiological effects, Sullivan said, ‘Only paralysis.’  Further questioning led him to say, ‘A temporary mental paralysis.’  He was not frightened at the time, but hours later he queried what had happened.

At the time he had only told his wife about this event.  However, when he heard about the death of a motorist in that same spot, he told the Police what he had seen.  They went out with Sullivan to the spot and found the depression in the paddock.

McDonald then questioned Ronald about the ‘bent’ headlight’s beam.  Sullivan admitted it was difficult to properly describe what exactly occurred to the headlights.  However, the following points were given.  The total duration of the effect to the headlights was only, ‘A couple of seconds.’  The headlights beam veered to the right by 30 to 45 degrees.  The headlights had then momentarily turned off.  Following this they came back on and the beam ‘bent’ 30 to 45 degrees to the right.  Then the headlights functioned normally.  Sullivan said it was difficult to describe this incident.  He used the words, ‘The ground location of the bend was the same.’

He did not stop to investigate but travelled approximately 40 miles (64 km) to his destination.

McDonald asked if the Royal Australian Airforce (RAAF) had investigated, Sullivan said, ‘They had not.’  McDonald asked if the Department of Civil Aviation had investigated, he said, ‘No, they had not.’  Only the police, UFO Investigation Center (UFOIC) and Victorian Flying Saucer Research Society (VFSRS), and some university students had investigated this sighting.

Ronald concluded that the headlights had been ‘bent’ by ‘magnetism’ or ‘gravity’.

The Cressy, Tasmanian sighting - 1960

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Another of the summaries of audio recordings made by James E McDonald during his visit in 1967.

On 4 October 1960, Reverend L Browning and his wife, saw a 'long cigar shaped object' emerge from a rain squall. It was dull grey in colour and had 'four or five vertical dark bands around its circumference.' It had something which looked like a 'short aerial array.' It travelled northwards. Seconds later, 5-6 small saucer-like objects come out of the cloud at high speed. These and the cigar then reversed back into the rain squall and did not re-emerge.

McDonald's interview

Identification Code/CD Number: 3T20S1202/CD57

Date Recorded: 6 July 1967

File Size: 18.4 MB

Interview Duration (m:s): 19:33

Interview Details: James McDonald interviews the Reverend Lionel Browning

Sighting Date: Not recorded during the interview

Sighting Time: Not recorded during the interview

Location of Sighting: Cressy, Tasmania, Australia

Duration of Sighting: Not recorded during the interview

Witness(es): Reverend Lionel Browning and his wife, Mrs L Browning

Summary:

Browning states that the mountain range to the east was Ben Lomond.  There was a flat lake area and the Western Tiers were to their west.  The Sun was over the Tiers at the time.  Heavy rain cleared a little 15 minutes before sunset.  It was still raining to the east, the south and the north.

Image courtesy Whereis?

He was looking out a window of a residence.  His wife joined him there.  They were noting the rays of the Sun on the green grass.  Mrs Browning asked if he could see what she could see?  This cigar shaped object emerged from the storm.  It was initially partly covered by rain below the cloud base.  Then it fully emerged.  He initially thought it was a plane crashing but noted that it was travelling below the stalling speed for an aircraft.  From memory he thought it came out about a mile and a half (two to three kilometres).  Its distance from him was estimated to be up to three miles (five kilometres).  He had a clear view of it.  It was hard to estimate its size, distance or speed.

At the time he had contacted the local aerodrome and ascertained that there were no aircraft in the area.  He had telephoned the Age Newspaper, in Melbourne, but they did not follow up the story, instead the local paper published their sighting report.  About a week later, he was interviewed by an officer and two men from the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

Beside the cigar, that he termed, ‘A mothership,’ he saw a number of smaller disc shaped objects.  They had a flat underside which always pointed towards the ground.  There was a thickness to them.

He put his head out of a window in his house to get a better view.  The, ‘Mothership,’ was stationary.  Discs suddenly appeared at the southern end.  One came from the north and one from the east.  They converged on the, ‘Mothership.’  The two which came from north and east were travelling fast and, ‘Skipping like stones over water.’  At times he could see their undersides.

The group of discs and the two that converged came to the northern end of the, ‘Mothership.’  They all started to go back into the rain storm.  One of the saucer’s forward edge tipped.  He lost sight of it as it was pointing down at a 30 degree angle; the front end appeared to have dipped.

Other sightings occurred in Tasmania around this time.  He did not investigate any of these sightings.  The paper investigated reports.

Associated with the sightings there were unusual sounds.  One was on the night of their sighting, between 2000 and 2100 hours.  He personally heard two of these, ’Explosions.’  It sounded like a steel bar being struck, and was extremely loud.  Cattle and sheep were disturbed and dogs barked.  A man at the end of town saw a coloured object in the sky.

The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) investigated a sighting by a mother and daughter who saw a hovering object near their home.  They stopped their car to get a closer look.  The RAAF spent a day investigating this sighting.

Family sights object - Port Moresby - 1962

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Continuing my series of posts drawn from material audio recorded by the late Professor James E McDonald, during his visit to Australia in 1967. This post describes details of McDonald's interview with a Mrs I Naughton; her son Kenneth, and daughter Serena, about their observation of an unusual object 'a little before dusk' on an evening in late February 1962 in Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea. The whole experience is said to have lasted for several minutes. 

Port Moresby 1962

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At the time of this interview, the Naughtons’ were living at 15 Grandview Street, Pymble, Sydney, New South Wales (NSW), Australia.  The interview was conducted by telephone, with breaks when Mrs Naughton consulted with her husband over various aspects of the sighting.

The date of the sighting was first believed to be February/March 1962, then Mrs Naughton decided it was late February 1962.  The family were living in the Ela Beach area of Port Moresby, the capital city of Papua New Guinea.  They lived in a house on a cliff overlooking the bay.  She was standing on the front balcony of the house, facing the water.  Her husband was inside and only saw the end of the sighting.  At the time of the sightings her son, Kenneth, was aged 10, and daughter, Serena, aged 7, they were both nearby at the time of the sighting.

Mrs Naughton, saw a rowing boat, stationary in the water below the house, with two ‘men’, sitting down in the boat.  She watched this boat for five minutes.  Then she looked at the top of a nearby mountain, where there was a red anti-aircraft collision beacon.  She saw, ‘This thing,’ come around the mountain.  It was round and appeared to be a grey/steel colour.  It travelled over the bay in front of her, then turned to the left of her; turned again and hovered over the rowing boat.  It stayed there for, ‘A couple of minutes,’ then departed.  Her son was jumping up and down.  Her daughter called Mr Naughton to come and look at it.

The object signals

While the object had been over the boat, ‘Signalling,’ began.  A white light came down from the object and shone on the boat.  A fainter light shone from the boat towards the object.  The light on the object flashed on and off.  The light from the boat, shone upwards, like a torch.  She thought the signalling appeared, ‘Contrived.’

The object had a red light around its rim.  Asked about its shape, she replied, ‘That it was like a dinner plate.’  It was saucer like, flat on the bottom and rounded on the top.  She thought there was a little dome on the top, but said her son and daughter didn’t see this.  Around the rim of the base were a series of individual red lights.  She had the impression this was due to red light shining out of portholes in the object.  These red lights were not rotating or blinking.  The signalling white light came from the right-hand side rim, near the bottom.  The shape of the object was symmetrical around its central axis.  It was distinct in outline and therefore, not blurred.

After further questioning, by McDonald, she stated that she had not seen the underneath of the object as it had hovered level with their cliff top house.  She estimated the house was 30 metres above the water.

The light flashing from the object seemed to be in a pattern, of 1-2-3-4 down, and then a light from the boat below signalled the same sequence.  There were then other sequences of flashing lights passing between object and the boat.  She was unable to estimate the duration of this signalling.

The figures in the boat were sitting down.  The ‘man’ in the front was doing the signalling to the object, using a torch.

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Another sighting

At this point Mrs Naughton made a reference to another sighting, by a man named Allan Davis.  The day after the Naughtons’ sighting, she heard from Mr Davis, a neighbour of theirs who had a nearby flat, that in 1957, over the same bay, Davis sighted a ‘Flying saucer.’  He said that at 2 am one morning, in bright moonlight, he had seen an unusual object, signalling.  Davis worked for the Australian Department of Civil Aviation.

McDonald asked Mrs Naughton if in 1962, there had been talk of Indonesian espionage in the area?  She said there had not.

McDonald mentioned the 1959 Reverend Gill sighting, and Mrs Naughton stated that she had read about it in the papers, and that she was aware that Gill had an excellent reputation.  She had never met him.

McDonald asked what Mrs Naughton thought the family had seen that evening in 1962?  She said she thought it was a, ‘Scout ship,’ that had been around since biblical times and watching our development; perhaps later to contact us when we had space travel.  She had come to this conclusion since 1962.

McDonald then spoke to Serena, then aged 12.  Serena’s account was that there had been a, ‘Flying saucer,’ near the house, and a boat in the water, they were signalling to each other.  The object had been white, with five to six lights around its rim.  In shape, it looked like two saucers stuck together.  She did not see the dome her mother thought she had seen.  The object finally turned around and quickly moved off.

McDonald spoke to Kenneth, then aged 15 years.  Kenneth said he saw the object come around the hill into the bay from his right.  It was long and slender in shape.  It was a shiny colour, silver and not very shiny.  It had lights around its rim, which appeared to be reddish.  He saw an exchange of light flashes between object and boat.  The object finally left, after hovering.  It went upwards and was lost from view, very quickly.

McDonald returned to speaking with Mrs Naughton and asked her about the diameter of the object.  After much discussion she settled on a diameter of half a metre at three metres distance.  She said that at no time was there any noise associated with the object and there had been no flames during its departure.  She had seen nothing like it since.

Unknown object on ground - Oslo, Norway - 1943

Hi all,

This post continues with material drawn from audio recordings made by James E McDonald, during his visit to Australia in 1967.

One of the individuals whom McDonald interviewed, was a Mrs I Palmer, of Melbourne, Victoria. She told McDonald about a sighting which had occurred in December 1943, some 30 kilometres from Oslo, the capital city of Norway. The whole event lasted some twenty minutes, and was observed by Mrs I Palmer; a Captain L Witzke; a Mr O Ortland and some other not named Norwegians. 

After I provide the details found in the audio recording, I will add some additional information from an issue of the Australian Flying Saucer Review, published in 1967. 

The event - from the audio recording

Two Norwegian families saw these lights.  It wasn’t talked about at the time, as the Second World War was taking place during this time.

Three cars were travelling down a mountain, in Oslo Fjord, 30 kilometres from Oslo, Norway.  The occupants of the cars saw a, ‘Strange thing,’ on a clear night.  It was a moving coloured light.  It was initially seen as a light, then as an object on the ground.  The object was 18 metres in diameter and on the ground.  It looked like a big church bell, but flatter.  They actually saw the light settle on the ground.

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It was first seen as a yellow/orange coloured glow, 500 metres away.  They saw it over the fjord, and coming towards them.  They thought it was an explosion and then it came closer.  The engines of all three cars stalled at a point where they saw the object on the ground.  They later thought, ‘Magnetism,’ may have caused the cars to stall.  They all got out of the cars and walked towards the object.  The object then departed straight upwards, before turning and travelling away horizontally.  The object may have been warm, because the snow had melted in an 18 metre diameter circle where the object had landed.

Mrs Palmer said that she had heard of other sightings as follows:

1. Same type of object seen in the north of Denmark.  Tractors, etc, could not be started.  Date unknown. 

2. Near Hanover, Germany in about 1948, ‘A crop circle,’ was found.  An object was seen in the cornfield.

The Australian Flying Saucer Review

AFSR 1967 Number 5 front cover

The December 1967 issue of the Victorian edition of the Australian Flying Saucer Review (number 5) on page 17, carried an article titled 'UFO lands in Norway - in 1943. Witness described first recorded E-M case. By Neville Thornhill.

The former secretary to a Norwegian shipping corporation executive has reported a strange sighting of a UFO with accompanying E-M effects, which she and friends observed on the Oslo Fjord.

The witness (personal particulars on VFSRS file) says the sighting occurred between 10 and 11 o'clock one night in December 1943. Her report is a s follows:

"The sighting occurred as some friends and I were having supper opposite the wharf in Oslo Fjord. Suddenly, we saw a light which appeared to be on the wharf. Fearing sabotage, we hopped into our cars and drove to the wharf. As we drove around the mountain road, we entered an 's' turn. When we were approximately on the inner 's' of the turn we were in a direct line with the object. At this stage all three cars stalled and could not be started again.

Leaving the cars we travelled down a snow-covered hillside towards an object which appeared to be an orange light shaped like a church bell.

As we came out of the trees to some open flat land where the object was stationary on the ground, my three companions wanted to stay behind in case some sort of sabotage was taking place. This I refused to do, and so all four of us approached close to the object from which was emanating a hissing sound like air being released from an air compressor. On hearing this, I threw myself in the snow fearing that someone was going to start shooting at us.

Moments later, the object rose up and hovered some 9 or 18 feet above the water. It then moved off at a fantastic speed without any apparent acceleration. Finally, it turned to a deep blue colour as it disappeared from sight towards the open Oslo Fjord.

As soon as the object had disappeared, my companions and I examined the spot where it had rested and observed a crater-like impression which looked like a saucer from a tea cup. The inner ring of the depression was about four and a half feet in diameter and about three feet deep. Outside this diameter, the snow had melted as though heat had been generated by the object. The heat had caused the snow to melt in such a way that that at a distance of 54 feet the snow had not melted at all, whereas inside this diameter the snow had melted gradually, until at four and a half feet it had melted completely.

The cars stalling, the crater in the ground and the bell like light moving away. What was it at this early stage where only the V-2 rocket had been developed?"

Observation by pilot over Germany - 1945

Hi all,

In 1967, the late James E McDonald visited Australia. During his time here, he interviewed dozens of Australians about their UAP sightings. Audio recordings of these interviews are archived in the Special Collections at the University of Arizona library, in the USA.

In order to listen to these recordings, it is necessary to purchase a copy of them. Purchasers are not permitted to pass on copies to other people. Due to these restrictions, few Australian UAP researchers have ever been able to listen to these original and useful set of recordings.

During the past few months, Sydney based researcher Anthony Clarke of UFO Research (NSW) Incorporated, and I have listened to 58 of these recordings and taken the time to make a summary of the contents of each. Anthony will shortly be making all the summaries available through the UFO Research (NSW) Incorporated website, for anyone to read.

My initiative, is to extract the more interesting and informative summaries, and present them on this blog. I have already commenced this by publishing the Moe, Victoria, sighting by Charles Brew.

An observation over Germany in 1945

At the time of the sighting Kit Francis Williams was an Acting Squadron Leader in the Royal Air Force (RAF), England. Kit was in the 617 Bomber Squadron based at Woodall Spa, East Lincolnshire, England.

The sighting occurred on the 25 April 1945 while on a bombing mission for Bomber Command’s Special Duties Squadron. Kit was the pilot of the Avro Lancaster bomber, that was the wing finder in the flight group. This was the final bombing mission of the Squadron in the Second World War. The mission comprised 25 to 26 aircraft, and had been tasked to bomb, ‘Hitler’s hideout, Berchtesgaden,’ this was Hitler’s mountain retreat and headquarters at Obersalzberg, in the Bavarian Alps, Germany. These headquarters were also known as the Berghof (residence).

The UFO incident occurred at 9.45 GMT just after a turn near Kaiserslautern, Germany on the final approach to Berchtesgaden. The Lancaster was at an altitude of 16,500 feet (5030 metres), the sky was clear below and the there was a solid cloud cover at 18,500 feet (5640 metres). The nearest aircraft would have been two miles (three kilometres) to the port. The main bomber group, referred to as the, ‘Gaggle’ would have been ten to fifteen miles (16 to 24 kilometres) behind.

Kit, who was the pilot, witnessed, without warning, what he described as, ‘Like a great blanket, a woolly blanket,’ that may have been four to five miles wide (six to eight kilometres). Kit explained that it, ‘Seemed to fill the whole of the windscreen,’ and the colour was grey/brown like, ‘An old army type blanket.’

The object appeared to be moving in the vertical direction past the windscreen of the aircraft, and was gone, ‘In an instant.’

Lost bomb

Immediately following this sighting, the only bomb in the aircraft broke loose, from its mounting, and, ‘Crashed,’ through the bomb bay door and out of the aircraft. The bomb was a 12,000 pound (5443 kilograms) armour piercing type, known as a, ‘Tallboy.’ Kit could hear and feel the vibration of the bomb crashing through the bomb bay doors.

At the same time as the bomb loss, the electrical power in the aircraft failed. This resulted in the four propeller engines losing power and therefore the aircraft could not be properly trimmed from the lift
caused by the bomb’s weight loss. All four engine revolution counters started to drop and all other electrically powered instruments ceased to function.

Kit said during the interview that it was, ‘Obvious that my electrics had gone,’ and they were losing height.

The emergency action plan was commenced where the inboard port engine was, ‘Feathered,’ the other three engines continued, ‘Windmilling.’ The, ‘Feathered,’ engine was locked in its starting position and then started using the backup battery power system on the aircraft. The three other engines were successfully started using the same technique since, ’Windmilling,’ engines could not be started without first being, ‘Feathered.’ The aircraft had dropped 4000 feet (1220 metres) to an altitude of 12,000 feet (3658 metres) due to the power loss.

At the same time as Kit was working on starting the first engine when he, ‘Thought he had hit his head on something,’ and a, ‘Sudden sensation of a pounding headache,’ this sensation continued.
Due to the damage caused by the detached bomb, the bomb bay door could not be closed, apart from that there appeared to be no other damage to the aircraft. The other aircraft in the group continued with their bombing mission. Kit’s aircraft returned to the base in England, since they were now without a bomb. Another aircraft in the group apparently saw the bomb being dropped from Kit’s aircraft and the loss of altitude, they did not see anything else, such as, the unidentified object.

Since the headache occurred, Kit was having difficulty getting his reflexes working normally and having to think about an action before its execution. Kit noticed that the Engineer and the Bomber appeared to be having the same experience, of a headache. Kit commented that the Bomber, ‘Gave the impression that someone had walked up behind him, and slapped him hard, between the shoulder blades,’ adding that the Engineer had the same expression. After taking to all the crew he confirmed that they all had the same type of headache. The headaches were so debilitating that they were all taking a variety of pain relief medication that were in the emergency kits in the aircraft.

Because of the condition caused by the headache, Kit had not been able to land the aircraft successfully and ran off the runway at the end, and onto a grass verge. After landing their Lancaster in England an ambulance was waiting for them.

At the time of the incident, Kit was 19 years old, the eldest of the flight crew, the Navigator, was 26 years old.

After effects

Kit told McDonald that after landing the crew and himself were taken for medical treatment and interrogation, over a period of eleven days. They were first transferred to the base hospital then to Wokingham, England. Following this, to the ‘Guinea Pigs,’ hospital at Rauceby RAF, where all the medical specialists were located. They were finally moved to High Wycombe, Bomber Command headquarters and then to the MI9 Enemy Intelligence and Interrogation Centre. The medical treatment consisted of various tests and the taking of medications to mitigate the headache, none of these treatments were successful. Kit commented that he was in a poor state of health because of the incident.

Kit said on the eleventh day is, ‘When the headache dispersed.’ Kit had found out that all the air crew, except the rear gunner, had ceased having headaches on the same day, within 12 hours of each other. The Rear Gunner took three weeks for the headache to dissipate.

The seven crew in the Lancaster were all different physical builds, and apparently that they were all equally effected by the headache. Kit commented to McDonald that he suspected that the unidentified object had caused the power loss in the aircraft, the headaches and loss of physical co-ordination.

Kit explained to McDonald that he knew of a similar event that occurred just after Christmas 1944 when a Hawker Tempest, piloted by John Dunk, lost power over the English Channel. The pilot had bailed out of the aircraft. Another similar event occurred in Nine Squadron during August 1944, when an aircraft lost power and the crew bailed out in the same area as Kit had lost power.

Kit claimed that there were other bomber crews at High Wycombe Bomber Command, at the same time he was there. He noticed that these crews were taken to the same sections in the Command buildings and he therefore speculated that they may have been there because they had similar experiences while flying.

Kit witnesses one other sighting on the 1 January 1955 in the central highlands of Malaysia. He, ‘Was advised that there was a peculiar aircraft flying around the area.’ Therefore, he climbed, with others, at ‘Frasers Hill,’ to observe the unidentified object. He was the Field Security Officer. He did not initially notice anything, but the Tamil who had seen the object previously, climbed a tree to get a better view. Kit said that the Tamil, ‘Right out of the blue he started screaming has head off,’ and came down the tree to point, and he observed, ‘There was a puff, looked like a puff of green like smoke, like you would see from a smoke bomb.’ The, ‘Puff,’ was six to seven hundred feet (180 to 210 metres) above the tops of the mountains.

As it expanded Kit took several photographs until it dispersed over a period of six or seven minutes. The colour of the, ‘Puff,’ was described by Kit as being, ‘Bright sea green.’ Apparently, the Tamil has seen a flash of light before the, ‘Puff.’ At that time, he had the same feeling that the headache may reoccur, like the one he had in 1945. This discomfort lasted for about an hour and then dissipated. The Tamil had previously sighted the, ‘Peculiar aircraft,’ and described it as being like a flat shinny ball and without any noise.

Kit told Mc Donald that he resided at, Ortolan Avenue, Broadmeadows, Victoria. His telephone number was 309 2468.

Kit said that he had no lasting disability because of the incident in 1944. After leaving the hospital he commenced flying two weeks later with a doctor and another pilot on board to access his ability for flying. He later joined the Tiger Force, in Burma, and after that he worked at London University. He went to Japan after their surrender, at the end of the Second World War, and eventually moved to Australia.

When he had the second headache in 1955 he, ‘Had the impression that one was around,’ referring to the unidentified object.

Kit thought, at the meetings with other air crew, that talk of UFO activity is, ‘Conspicuous by absence.’ He also claimed that religious people are not comfortable with discussing the reality of UFOs.

Update: 5 February 2021

Thanks to research by Graeme Rendall of the United Kingdom we now know that:

* Although nominally with 617 bomber squadron; at the time Williams was with the Number 9 Squadron.

* Rendall located the April 1945 records for No. 9 Sqdn and found that there was a Flying Officer A. F. Williams and he was on that actual raid.

* Rendall wrote me that "The details about the Tallboy bomb breaking free of its shackles and falling through the bomb bay doors are listed in the Operational Record Book; it is put down to 'suspected electrical failure' after selecting and fusing the weapon."

* Original file is AIR 27/129/8.

Dr Richard M Neal, Jnr. M.D. - his work - 1988-1993

Hi all,

This post continues a series, with material drawn mainly, from Jacques Vallee's latest book, "Forbidden Science - volume three."

In my last Vallee book related post, I documented the work of Dr Richard Charles Niemtzow, between 1975 and 1991.

One of the other medical researchers mentioned in my Niemtzow post, was a Dr Richard M Neal, Jnr. M.D. This post takes a look at the work of Dr Neal, using insights provided by Vallee, as well as from a literature search.


Vallee. 11 December 1988. p.359

'Two days in New York with Fred Adler this week, and a new discussion with Kit who has found a medical doctor allegedly involved in an actual Alien autopsy. He heard of him through Dr Neal of Los Angeles...'

Note:

1. 'Kit' is a reference to Dr Christopher 'Kit' Green.


Vallee. 15 February 1989. p.373.

'But Dr Neal, who knows this guy, told Richard that he started shaking visibly when the subject was brought up and that he asked to be left alone...'

Note:

1. Richard here, is not Neal but Niemtzow.


Vallee. 18 June 1989. p.398.

'I just spoke again to Richard Niemtzow. I told him that Richard Neal was trying to reach him.'


Vallee. 18 July 1989. p.407.

'In Los Angeles, where I was visiting a robotics company today, I took a couple of hours off to have lunch with Dr Richard Neal, the African-American gynaecologist interested in UFOs and their physiological effects. I was surprised to find that he was an ardent believer in the Extraterrestrial Cause and everything Budd Hopkins had stated about sexual interaction between human witnesses and their alleged abductors. It is only recently that he began to doubt these claims.

Having co-founded the Los Angeles abduction research group, he finally realised that no tangible medical details were forthcoming from witnesses who claimed contact or from the ufologists who promulgated their claims. He tried in vein to get them to agree to a screening protocol: David Jacobs insisted that a five-minute preliminary interview with abductees was sufficient to convince him they were genuine!

Disgusted with such disregard for standards and with constant feuds among UFO factions, Neal resigned. He said that his only serious lead for a doctor who may have done autopsies was the Lancaster doctor already mentioned to me by Kit: he went to his house and the man refused to talk, obviously embarrassed, claiming the need to keep his government pension secure. Kit can find no trace of such a pension. But Neal's information comes from Len Stringfield, who still claims he cannot release any names for fear of some dreadful consequences, and so on...A waste of time.'

Note:

1. For more on Leonard Stringfield click here.


MUFON Journal. September 1990. p.14.

Article titled 'The Implant Enigma - Part II' by John Scheussler.

Scheussler quotes from Ray Fowler's book 'The Watchers.'

'In the same book Fowler quotes the work of Dr Richard Neal, Jnr. on the subject of implants. Dr Neal says "Many abductees have described a thin probe with a tiny ball on its end being inserted into the nostril - usually on the right side. They are able to hear a 'crushing' type sound as the bone in this area is apparently being penetrated. Many will have nosebleeds following their examinations."

Note:

1. For further information on Ray Fowler, click here.


MUFON Journal. November 1991. pp13-16.

Article titled 'Paralyzed by microwaves.' by Richard M Neal, Jr.

'Abstract. A common physiological complaint made by both UFO witnesses and alleged abductees is of physical paralysis. Associated with this temporary paralysis may be a tingling, electrical type shock or numbing sensation felt over the body. The individuals involved report being immobilised by a variety of sources, including light beams directed from the UFO; hand-held objects carried by the alien humanoids or "entities", and other unknown causes. Although many theories have been offered as to the etiology (origin or cause) of this particular form of paralysis, none has completely explained the phenomenon.

James M Campbell, working with experimental data, gives an excellent analysis of paralysis associated with the action potential of nerve cells. Dr Richard C Niemtzow has also researched nerve fiber types and functions as related to paralysis.

In this article, the author will review the basic normal physiological functions of the Central Nervous System (the brain and its branches), which is essential to paralysis, followed by a discussion of the specific biological effects of microwave radiation on the human species.'

The article includes 'Dr Neal is a practising obstetrician and gynaecologist living in Lawndale, California. He is a charter member of the Los Angeles UFO Research Group and a MUFON consultant.'


Bulletin of Anomalous Experience. Vol. 2 No. 1 January 1991. p.2.

'From Richard Neal

I was interested in the last page on Conception and Birth. I have researched this so-called missing Embryo/Fetus syndrome over the past three years. Hopkins, Strieber and Jacobs all claim to have numerous cases - however, when confronted to have referrals as well as OB/GYN physicians medical records for follow-up - noone can seem to come up with one referral. Needless to say, I am extremely reluctant to believe that this is happening. Of the three cases I have researched here in Southern California all have a reasonable obstetrical explanation as related to a complication of pregnancy.'

Note:

The Bulletin of Anomalous Experience was a networking newsletter about the UFO abduction phenomenon and related issues for interested scientists and mental health professionals.


MUFON Journal. February 1992. p.24.

'Director's Message.'

'1992 MUFON International UFO Symposium...Speakers already confirmed are... Richard M Neal.'


MUFON Journal. June 1992. p.21.

MUFON Symposium. Talk by Richard M Neal titled 'The missing embryo/fetus syndrome.'


MUFON Journal. August 1992. p.9.

1992 MUFON Symposium.

'The missing embryo/fetus syndrome.'

'Richard M Neal, M.D., a MUFON medical consultant and one of the original founders of the Los Angeles UFO Research group, addressed the issue of missing embryos reported by abductees of which there are several, beginning with the now classic case of Debbie Tomey, first reported on the pseudonym of "Kathie Davis" in Budd Hopkins' 1987 book, Intruders. However, he could find no convincing medical evidence of a missing fetus or embryo that could be attributed to abduction by alien beings.

Dr Neal began with a review of the pre-intruders abduction literature, extending the relevant thesis of nocturnal visitors in general to include Dr David Hufford's generally overlooked signpost, The Terror that Comes in the Night, a study of the supernatural assault tradition typified by the Old Hag accounts encountered in Newfoundland. In the main, sexual activity and particularly sexual activity leading to pregnancy (which later goes "missing" or otherwise) is a relatively rare component of the Old Hag tradition.

The theme is also conspicuously absent from Dr Eddie Bullard's two-volume landmark survey of the then extant abduction literature, UFO Abductions: The Making of a Mystery, published in the same year as Intruders. Bullard wrote Neal that "this element (of missing embryo) did not appear in any of the abduction stories I studied."

In fact, most such cases, said Neal, are merely hear-say that fall into two distinct categories-women who say they have been artificially impregnated during the course of an alleged abduction by alien beings,or who claim they were impregnated via actual, i.e. physical sexual intercourse. The later, Neal said, seems curiously odd in that the 'typical' alien Gray is usually described as lacking external genitalia.

By the same token, assuming aliens lack sexual organs, why produce spermatozoa at all? In other words, how do human female earthlings become pregnant by the reported extraterrestrial intruders in the first place?

These are major questions, Dr Neal suggests,and the more so since missing fetus cases bear resemblances to the psychological aftermath typically associated with rape and susbequent post-traumatic stress, and because they tend to emerge in dream-states or under hypnotic trance. And on a purely physical level, there are a number of medical factors, including spontaneous abortion and secondary amenorhea (cessation of the menstrual cycle) that may easily mimic the missing fetus syndrome.'


Bulletin of Anomalous Experience. Vol. 3 No. 5 October 1992 p.4.

NRAS = New Revised Abduction Scenario.

'Dennis Stacy on Abductions and Abortions.'

'Another celebrated feature of the NRAS is the so-called "missing fetus," although as Ann Druffel and Dr Richard M Neal have pointed out, there is absolutely no corroborative evidence for this claim whatsoever.'


MUFON Journal. April 1993. p.19 & July p.16.

'Letters to the Journal.'

'Mising Embryos/Fetuses.

'In recent years numerous female abductees have related that alien humanoids have intervened in the removal of an existing pregnancy, or have inseminated females either directly or artificially: the so called missing embryo/fetus syndrome.

However, my research has yet to reveal one documented or verified case that would indicate such events are occurring.

In putting out this memo to UFO researchers and investigators alike, as well as to female abductees, I would like for them to submit the following information. Doctor's verification of pregnancy, medical records with ultrasound scan, D & C's etc. to document that this has occurred.

All information will be reviewed by a Blue Ribbon Panel committee. I am offering $500 to any case that shows without a reasonable doubt that a female abductee has had a missing pregnancy. Please send information to Richard M Neal, Jnr. M.D. MUFON consultant/physical and psychological effects. 4193 W. Redondo Beach Blvd. Lawndale, CA 90260.'


Bulletin of Anomalous Experience. Vol.4 No. 2 April 1993. p.4.

'Missing Embryo/Fetus syndrome.

[Richard M Neal, Jnr. M.D. is a specialist in obstetrics, gynaecology and infertility. The following notice is intended for UFO researchers, UFO investigators and female abductees.

'In recent years numerous female abductees have related that alien humanoids have intervened in the removal of an existing pregnancy or have inseminated females either directly or artificially (the so-called missing embryo/fetus syndrome.

However, my research has not shown one documented or verified case that such events are occurring.

In putting out this memo to UFO researches/investigators as well as female abductees, I would like them to  submit to me the following information:

Doctor's verification of pregnancy, medical records with ultrasound scan, D & C's etc, to document that this has occurred.

All information will be reviewed by a Blue Ribbon Panel committee. I am offering $500 to any case that shows without a reasonable doubt that a female has had a missing pregnancy.

Send information to Richard M Neal, Jnr. M.D. 4193 W Redondo Beach Blvd, Lawndale CA 90260.'


Bulletin of Anomalous Experience. Vol.4 No. 3 June 1993. p.8.

Article. 'Missing Fetus Syndrome' by Keith Basterfield.

'Eddie Bullard cited in an article by Dr Richard Neal, (1991:20) stated "I noticed nothing in the literature (up to 1986 or thereabouts) comparable to the missing embryo motif.' This is despite Bullard having reviewed 300 abduction texts in his mammoth review study.'

Note:

1. A search of issues of BAE up to the December 1994 issue, revealed no further references to Dr Neal.


MUFON Journal. November 1993. p.14.

'Fund for UFO Research - quarterly report.'

'The Executive Committee supports Dr Neal's proposal and has decided to provide an additional $500 to support the project...'


Comments:

I was unable to locate any reference in the UAP literature after November 1993. It would appear reasonable to deduce from the information which was published prior to that time, that Dr Neal's interest in the topic ceased around that time.  An Internet search at the time of publishing this post, located an 81 year old Dr Richard M Neal, living in Lawndale, California.