tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040353126484409527.post2992082231265185069..comments2024-03-21T08:16:46.130+10:30Comments on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena - scientific research: Squadron Leader Gordon Waller and his "flying saucer"Keith Basterfieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05367372091711887711noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040353126484409527.post-44287117067176813052012-07-10T09:48:52.718+09:302012-07-10T09:48:52.718+09:30G'Day Folks and G'Day to you Shane.
Yikes...G'Day Folks and G'Day to you Shane.<br /><br />Yikes ramjets even worse not just the noise they are quite thirsty, weight saving though.<br /><br />Just a little on the ramjet it requires forward movement for it to work (air pressure at the inlet)<br /><br />So I'd love to see Gordon's schematics in full.<br /><br />Anybody got a copy?<br /> <br />Anyway back to it whether it is piston/jet/ramjet powered any saucer shaped aircraft using this princible "Coanda Effect" never really got off the ground (excuse the pun couldn't help it.)<br /><br />It's just that for years a circular shape craft like the avrocar pops up like a jack in a box to explain away a UFO events ignoring things like sound.<br /><br />Regarding the Cressy case a pilot/nav flying a RB57 saw a UFO around the the same time, from what I remember of the case they had heard about the Cressy case and thought they had better report their own sighting it's in NAA files.<br /> <br /> >"something astronomical".< yes pretty vague<br /><br />Cheers LesLeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047114537623788415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040353126484409527.post-14478465379121343582012-07-08T22:12:13.633+09:302012-07-08T22:12:13.633+09:30Hi Les. A very informed comment from you - as alw...Hi Les. A very informed comment from you - as always.<br /><br />Gordon Waller's design incorporated ramjets and would have been, as he admitted, very noisy.<br /><br />Most of the Westall witnesses, of course, remember that the Westall UFO made no sound at all, while a few thought that it made a very slight sound, perhaps like a humming. The silence, or the near-silence, of the flying saucer contrasted sharply with the sounds made by the five planes that flew nearby.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Shane.Shane Ryanhttp://www.westall66ufo.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040353126484409527.post-91541652963476710062012-07-08T22:07:58.112+09:302012-07-08T22:07:58.112+09:30Another fantastic post Keith...thank you very much...Another fantastic post Keith...thank you very much.<br /><br />In my interview with Gordon Waller in 2009 he made it quite clear that his design efforts had indeed been inspired by witness reports of UFOs, and particularly by the Cressy sightings.<br /><br />Indeed, he was very taken with the witnesses' accounts at Cressy, and couldn't reconcile what they said they saw to him with the RAAF's official explanation - "something astronomical".<br /><br />Unfortunately, despite the timing of his submission, as you point out, Gordon knew nothing about the Westall Incident, and had not even heard of it. <br /><br />Frustrating, of course.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Shane.Shane Ryanhttp://www.westall66ufo.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7040353126484409527.post-83175286682303134852012-07-08T11:04:10.859+09:302012-07-08T11:04:10.859+09:30G' Day Folks.
Keith for the readers who are n...G' Day Folks.<br /><br />Keith for the readers who are not aware the concept "Coanda Effect" is not new many an inventor has dabbled in the concept some inspired by the Flying saucer phenomena no doubt.<br /><br />Here is just a few:<br />Duan Phillips Flying saucer concept you will find his files in the NAA.<br />He designed Helicopters but dabbled in the Coanda Effect with models.<br /><br />Jean Louis Naudin<br />His webpage here explains the concept<br /><br />http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/coanda.htm<br /><br />The concept in my opinion will always remain a novelty and these are some of the reasons why.<br /><br />Today the concept is only used to assist conventional aircraft in landing taking off.<br /><br />It just comes down to economics when comparing power to weight/payload between a Helicopter and a flying disk the helicopter wins hands down, it would have been great if the flying disk had found a niche like the helicopter. (which is not as efficient as an conventional aircraft of course)<br /><br />The Harrier Jet doesn't use the Coanda effect as in the disk design instead it uses vectors straight off the engine, (there's more to it than that) you have to ask why if the coanda effect (flying saucer) was showing so much promise why didn't the Harrier designer go down that road.<br /><br />Of course even the Harrier didn't replace conventional Jet fighters either but rather found a niche, after the American's got hold of it and replaced much of it as possible with lighter composite materials it was then able to carry a decent payload etc.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong I would love to see the Avrocar revamped with more powerful engines lighter composite materials and computer assisted control just for the hell of it the same with the Moller concept.<br /><br />But there they sit.<br /><br />Down further on the page that you linked to the Avrocar there is a "lift body" concept where they have taken the disk shape and tried to make it more efficient Aerodynamically (as did Moller).<br /><br />However if they were such a good concept the skies would be full of them.<br /><br />>To set this date in a UFO context, the Westall High School, Melbourne event (click here) happened five days later.<<br /> <br />While we are on the subject of The Westall Incident it has been suggested now and in the past that perhaps it was an experimental flying disk using the Coanda princible that could have been involved in the Westall case, including a Harrier jet (rolling eyes.) <br /><br />We need to keep in mind that all these concepts sit on a cushion of air which radiates out from the centre, this cushion is supporting 2 to 3 plus tonne of aircraft.<br /><br />The high air pressure escaping from underneath will be quite destructive to a soft surface that is under the craft whilst landing and or taking off, in this case dry grass (and if the very hot jet engines exhaust was also vectored down in this experimental craft hate to think what would happened to the tinder dry grass.)<br /> <br />Secondly the jet engines in a taking off,landing,hovering mode will be screaming their little lungs out (just listen to the Harrier Jet) no witness has mention a deafening noise coming from the object in a hovering mode related to the Westall case. <br /><br />Cheers LesLeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047114537623788415noreply@blogger.com